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1 hour ago, rdubya59 said:

I am entitled to my own experience.  Your opinions are not facts, either.

I'm not expressing any opinions.

You can easily put a modern-day cavity-back club on a hitting robot, hit the ball all over the clubface, and demonstrate that the club is both more forgiving and more consistent than an olden-era hickory muscleback.

It's demonstrable. Measurable.

1 hour ago, rdubya59 said:

How did Robert Jones hit drives of over 300 yards with a hickory shafted driver and a clearly inferior ball to the modern ball?

Modern Tour pros occasionally pop drives over 400 yards.

And Bobby didn't do that very often. The 1913 U.S. Open was contested at 6235 yards and par 73. Oh, and +12 won it (after the playoff).

1 hour ago, rdubya59 said:

You technology experts always cite your empirical data with studies sponsored and funded by companies selling, guess what, golf clubs.

Doesn't mean the data's invalid. And last time I checked, golf companies aren't comparing their clubs to 70-year-old hickories. There'd be no point in that. The new clubs are obviously superior - not a single person would be impressed when the modern club kicked the crap out of the old club. Not even you, because you'd just write it off as "marketing." Ha.

1 hour ago, rdubya59 said:

Or, you conduct a driver distance study with a 60 graphite shafted watermelon on a stick against a persimmon wood with an x100 135 gram steel shaft and wow, the ball goes further with the new driver....duh.

You want some science? Modern drivers are all pretty much CoR of about 0.83. Right up to the legal limit.

Old drivers were often in the mid 0.7x range.

Darn facts, again.

1 hour ago, rdubya59 said:

I am stating that based on my own research and experience,  there is not that much difference.

You haven't done any research, dude. This is one of the first posts where you seem to have understood that "my livelihood" doesn't depend on any of this.

Earlier you said you were shooting about the same scores as with your old clubs. Well… okay, but:

  • You're not a great golfer.
  • It's a sample size of one.
  • Feel ain't real. Your "experiences" aren't scientific data.

I'm sticking with what I said earlier:

On 10/18/2018 at 7:50 PM, iacas said:

The fact remains that comparing hickory-shafted muscle backs to modern steel-shafted forgiving clubs, I can prove that the modern clubs are "better" - more consistent launch and ball speed and spin across the face, higher ball speeds, etc.

It's not just marketing hooey.

I'm glad you enjoy your hickories. Truly. I want to some day get a set myself, and play perhaps the same tees with my daughter.

But that doesn't change the fact that modern clubs have made advances in the last 70 years.

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Okay, first of all. Hickory tournaments are a ton of fun. From about 2010-2013, a course near where I used to live sponsored a Hickory tournament every year for charity. I group would bring in sets of Hickory Clubs and if you signed up and paid your entry fee you would be issued a set. (Assuming you didn't have a set of your own.) 

They used to give us this short speech about not to worry if you broke a club, just be sure to bring all the pieces back with you so it could be repaired.

Anyway, my father and I played several years until I ended up moving away from that course. It was absolutely a blast. 

Having said that anyone who doesn't think modern clubs have made the game easier is absolutely bonkers. Firstly the first thing we did at this tourney is to move 1 if not 2 tee-boxes forward. Secondly, it's almost like playing a different game. Even just gripping the club with the wrapped and pinned leather is a totally different kind of challenge. Its a whole lot of fun though. I recommend doing it if you get a chance. 
 

By the way, of course we dressed in period clothing for the tourney. Here's a pic of my old man and I from the last time we played in back 2013. 

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Could anyone tell me the best ball for hickory clubs? I've been playing wilson duo but read that prov1 is OK too. But it is harder. Would it damage clubs? And if anyone knows, how hard were the old gutta balls? Topflite like, or wilson duo like? Thanks

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Been doing some reading into the hickory golf scene, sounds like fun.

Picked up this Otey Crisman 18HB Mallet putter, solid & straight with pretty good leather grip at a local second hand sports shop for $12 after their 20% golf equip discount for the season. Might just be the start of a 6 club hickory set.

To ChetlovesMer, that picture of you and your Dad dressed up for the Hickory Tournament is priceless !!!!IMG_2061.thumb.JPG.f5e9d20a5a93319c6b1c533d10a1cc38.JPGIMG_2062.thumb.JPG.b4317a0bc8de707c3c77c828d7a74f2d.JPGIMG_0485.JPG

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Nice looking putter but if you intend to play in any events conducted under the Society of Hickory Golfers rules, Otey Chrisman putters are typically not allowed. Hickorygolfers.com details the approved clubs.

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On ‎12‎/‎29‎/‎2018 at 2:39 PM, rustbelt said:

To ChetlovesMer, that picture of you and your Dad dressed up for the Hickory Tournament is priceless !!!!imageproxy.php?img=&key=26b180e008f40bf0

Thank you my friend.

My dad is a great guy. I love him a ton. Don't tell him, but he's a terrible golfer. I don't think he's ever actually broke 90, and I'm sure that the lion's share of his scores easily exceed the century mark. He has fun and he's keeps up. So what more can I ask.

I will say this, he loves to get out there and he loves to play all of those "Slightly Different" tournaments. We've played a "Chili Open", which is golf in the snow. We've played Hickory Tournaments. We've played Midnight Tee-off Tournaments. etc... 

I love the guy and he cracks me up. We'll play one of these crazy tournaments and he'll say something like "I almost shot the same score as I normally do." I don't have the heard to tell him that if you don't shoot low scores normally.... well... ? 

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