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How to have your irons sit 5 degrees open like Ben Hogan? The opposite of offset?

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I would like to have my blade irons sit open at address and not just by having a weak grip. I called nike, callaway, and mizuno to ask if they made any sets or could make any sets like that and they all said no!

I have a loft and like machine and have opened the lofts and increase the flat lie angle and still I would like the club to sit more open. Is there anyone who can help me figure this dilema out?

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Only thing I can think about is to rotate the clubhead open. That way you still got the spine of the shaft straight up and aligned with the grip. The same principle as they use on the adjustable drivers today. You can't change it back and forth with a screw of course, you'll have to heat up the head to melt the glue and apply new before mounting again.
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Would doing what Bubba does help? He has Ping put the grips on several degree open.

Or am I misunderstanding the question, because I think I may be?

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Originally Posted by jamo

Would doing what Bubba does help? He has Ping put the grips on several degree open.

Or am I misunderstanding the question, because I think I may be?


I think the OP wants something a bit more hip sounding than Bubba's common sense grip approach. I wonder if the OP fights a hook (like Hogan did) or if he just had a big glass of Hogan kool aid.

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This is what Bernard Langer says about his grips : "Golf Pride Victory. I rotate them to the left 4 degrees. I tried it one day and the ball went straight, so I kept it that way. With my strong grip, it fits in my hand better, too."

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hey just curious - I went to the golf Pride site and couldn't find the "Victory" model - can you shed some light?

thanks

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The old green Victory is no more to my understanding.

There is a replacement they call v55 or something.  Still has the reminder chevrons but in red I think.

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I do fight a hook and hate to see a hook, conversly when I fade I hate to see a slice. I do fight a hook. I lofted my 7 iron up and flattened the lie so that I could hit a 3/4 shot 155-160 yards; that fade I was hitting was very distinctive and felt very easy to do. I want most of my draw swing mechanics I impliment to produce a fade. You cant talk to a hook. You can give me the most open club and I can figure out how to hook it. The problem is that when I fade it, I do not want to get double crossed, I dont want ot see a hook or even a slight pull when fading.

Nike said the make a special order to 1 degree open in their irons and that is as far as I got. I want something similar to Hogans specs. the most puzzling thing right now to figure out is how to get the irons to have a negative offset or sit 5 degrees open at address.

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Originally Posted by jamo

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Originally Posted by dbuck

The old green Victory is no more to my understanding.

There is a replacement they call v55 or something.  Still has the reminder chevrons but in red I think.

Yellow, actually: http://www.golfpride.com/Grips/Default.aspx?cat=cord&grip;=v55bct


Might have to try those, at least on a club or two.

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Originally Posted by dbuck

Might have to try those, at least on a club or two.


I recently put one on a old 1 iron, just because it seemed like a good idea. It's a lot rougher than the regular Tour Velvet Cord.

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Why do you want something similar to Hogan's specs?

Hogan Kool-Aid? More like Hogan LSD.

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1) I would like to take the left side out of play 2) If the greatest ball striker of all time used 5 degree open clubs, I would like to try them. Everyone should want to try them. SOMEONE SHOULD MAKE THEM. I cant understand why it would be soooo hard to accomplish this.

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Originally Posted by HogansSecrets

1) I would like to take the left side out of play 2) If the greatest ball striker of all time used 5 degree open clubs, I would like to try them. Everyone should want to try them. SOMEONE SHOULD MAKE THEM. I cant understand why it would be soooo hard to accomplish this.



The solution to taking the left side out of play should not be opening your clubs 5 degrees.  Furthermore, the bounce and grind of your irons were not designed to sit this open.  You could rotate the clubhead on the shaft (or grip for a near identical effect) but they wont sit naturally at address like this at all.

I'd talk to a pro about your swingpath and impact mechanics before you do something like this.

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Because the market for 5* open irons is probably a handful of people.  The market for people who need 5* open irons is probably even smaller.

Originally Posted by HogansSecrets

1) I would like to take the left side out of play 2) If the greatest ball striker of all time used 5 degree open clubs, I would like to try them. Everyone should want to try them. SOMEONE SHOULD MAKE THEM. I cant understand why it would be soooo hard to accomplish this.



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put the grips on offset......like rotate grips 5* to the left seems easy enough probably alot cheaper.

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Originally Posted by delav

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Originally Posted by HogansSecrets

1) I would like to take the left side out of play 2) If the greatest ball striker of all time used 5 degree open clubs, I would like to try them. Everyone should want to try them. SOMEONE SHOULD MAKE THEM. I cant understand why it would be soooo hard to accomplish this.

The solution to taking the left side out of play should not be opening your clubs 5 degrees.  Furthermore, the bounce and grind of your irons were not designed to sit this open.  You could rotate the clubhead on the shaft (or grip for a near identical effect) but they wont sit naturally at address like this at all.

I'd talk to a pro about your swingpath and impact mechanics before you do something like this.

Ben Hogan did grind his clubs to a negative bounce: while the solution to taking the left side out of play does not lie soley in one place, certainly it was a piece of what made hogans fade so great. I can hit a fade, but am after a specific type fade: the ben hogan fade.


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