The Dan Plan - 10,000 Hours to Become a Pro Golfer (Dan McLaughlin)

[nevets88]

Basic ideas of what is being said, if it's still confusing:

Dan seems to think he has excellent ball striking with every club except his driver. Rather than addressing a potential swing flaw that could be causing it, he instead remains ignorant and wants to fix his driver in a vacuum.

I doubt he's even looking at tour statistics if he thinks his irons are fine. He's hitting only 75% of the greens they do at 9 GIR per round, and driver accuracy is not the fastest way to improve there. Improving his swing, therefore increasing his driver AND accuracy at the me time, is the fastest way. Unfortunately, his vanity in regards to his swing is getting in his way here.

His last post he said he played with a +3 (he writes it out as plus-3, what the hell?) He's seen good ball striking, but maybe he's not seeing good ball striking.

[garybbq]

His last post he said he played with a +3 (he writes it out as plus-3, what the hell?) He's seen good ball striking, but maybe he's not seeing good ball striking.

This is really strange, how could he not see he is a world away from the +3 who is a world away from the PGA....... I wonder what they both shot.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by nevets88

His last post he said he played with a +3 (he writes it out as plus-3, what the hell?) He's seen good ball striking, but maybe he's not seeing good ball striking.

This is really strange, how could he not see he is a world away from the +3 who is a world away from the PGA....... I wonder what they both shot.

+3 shot a 68, Dan shot an 86.

[garybbq]

+3 shot a 68, Dan shot an 86.

How did you find that out?

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Lihu

+3 shot a 68, Dan shot an 86.

How did you find that out?

I didn't, just joking. Hence the LOL emoticon.

However, if he did score well, I would have though he would have posted it in his GHIN. Plus, he said his driver went south.

[garybbq]

I didn't, just joking. Hence the LOL emoticon.

However, if he did score well, I would have though he would have posted it in his GHIN. Plus, he said his driver went south.

ahh LOL, that's funny because that's what I would guess the score was.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Lihu

I didn't, just joking. Hence the LOL emoticon.

However, if he did score well, I would have though he would have posted it in his GHIN. Plus, he said his driver went south.

ahh LOL, that's funny because that's what I would guess the score was.

LOL, agreed.

If Dan is reading any of this thread, I just hope he is not vindictive or anything.

[b101]

Hadn't seen any of this till now and just browsed through bits of his site. His swing is almost painful to watch - I assume he's coaching himself? Given that he started from the putter and worked forwards, I'd guess the lack of lower body doing, well, anything, comes from there? It's a cool idea though, and I hope he keeps on pushing towards it, even if PGA Tour is miles away

[flopster]

Hadn't seen any of this till now and just browsed through bits of his site. His swing is almost painful to watch - I assume he's coaching himself? Given that he started from the putter and worked forwards, I'd guess the lack of lower body doing, well, anything, comes from there? It's a cool idea though, and I hope he keeps on pushing towards it, even if PGA Tour is miles away

I agree with the cool idea part and I think he should have never included the PGA tour pro goal as a part of the experiment even though the theory says 10,000 will produce an expert, I just think if he would go out and just say let's just see what happens in my individual case and go on from there would probably get a lot less ridicule than sticking to an unattainable pipe dream. The goal just gets in the way of real progress IMO and what would be wrong with incremental goals instead that are achievable that can be book marked on a timeline.

[Pretzel]

Hmm, the extra stiff in his driver was "too much club" for him. Is it gloating to say, "I called it!" when it's true?

[Lihu]

Hmm, the extra stiff in his driver was "too much club" for him. Is it gloating to say, "I called it!" when it's true?

Nice call.

BTW, this is a video of him on a "Gold Coast" show. His swing is not that painful to watch anymore, at least to an untrained eye like mine.

EDIT: He dunked in the water when playing with Kota and Andrew on a par 3 at 16:20. Guess his irons aren't as good as he thought. . .

[nevets88]

[QUOTE name="b101" url="/t/45853/the-dan-plan-10-000-hours-to-become-a-pro-golfer-dan-mclaughlin/2322#post_1091461"]   Hadn't seen any of this till now and just browsed through bits of his site. His swing is almost painful to watch - I assume he's coaching himself? Given that he started from the putter and worked forwards, I'd guess the lack of lower body doing, well, anything, comes from there? It's a cool idea though, and I hope he keeps on pushing towards it, even if PGA Tour is miles away [/QUOTE] I agree with the cool idea part and I think he should have never included the PGA tour pro goal as a part of the experiment even though the theory says 10,000 will produce an expert, I just think if he would go out and just say let's just see what happens in my individual case and go on from there would probably get a lot less ridicule than sticking to an unattainable pipe dream. The goal just gets in the way of real progress IMO and what would be wrong with incremental goals instead that are achievable that can be book marked on a timeline.

Agree. The PGA Tour goal. Way too much pressure. In a way, works against his goal of attaining his best swing.

[flopster]

Hmm, the extra stiff in his driver was "too much club" for him. Is it gloating to say, "I called it!" when it's true?

No but I think it was pretty obvious, but go ahead and gloat.

[Lihu]

Here's Dan playing golf with Kota and Andrew of Golf Getaway. He has a couple of them and they look like nice courses.

[mchepp]

Agree. The PGA Tour goal. Way too much pressure. In a way, works against his goal of attaining his best swing.

This is a bit of a marketing issue. He has always said that he wants to have sponsors in order to offset the amount of money he needs to run the entire plan all the way through. In fact his first golf club allowed him to play at their club because he promoted the idea that his notoriety would bring new members to the club. If he had run his marketing saying that he was planning to test the 10,000 theory to win his club championship most people would have said "who cares". (People may be saying who cares anyways...but that is besides the point) He had to make the final goal golf at the highest level to make it interesting. To draw the press to write about him, to make his story at least a little interesting. The headline of the PGA Tour can only help his marketing agenda. So I feel he had no choice but to tell everyone this was the end goal.

[nevets88]

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Originally Posted by nevets88

Agree. The PGA Tour goal. Way too much pressure. In a way, works against his goal of attaining his best swing.

This is a bit of a marketing issue. He has always said that he wants to have sponsors in order to offset the amount of money he needs to run the entire plan all the way through. In fact his first golf club allowed him to play at their club because he promoted the idea that his notoriety would bring new members to the club. If he had run his marketing saying that he was planning to test the 10,000 theory to win his club championship most people would have said "who cares". (People may be saying who cares anyways...but that is besides the point) He had to make the final goal golf at the highest level to make it interesting. To draw the press to write about him, to make his story at least a little interesting. The headline of the PGA Tour can only help his marketing agenda. So I feel he had no choice but to tell everyone this was the end goal.

I agree. He's handcuffed either way. If you want to carry out a project such as this that really utilizes effective learning methods and deliberate practice, it has to be well funded, the person has to be independently wealthy, or whatever case in which money is no issue. Then no outside influence from people who want to advertise and no pressure to achieve unattainable goals.

Wonder if any Masters/PhD candidates thought of trying this on someone for a thesis. A university that has the facilities and a good team probably has a couple of good coaches or has good connections to coaches. That takes a giant bite out of the cost.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by nevets88

Agree. The PGA Tour goal. Way too much pressure. In a way, works against his goal of attaining his best swing.

This is a bit of a marketing issue. He has always said that he wants to have sponsors in order to offset the amount of money he needs to run the entire plan all the way through. In fact his first golf club allowed him to play at their club because he promoted the idea that his notoriety would bring new members to the club. If he had run his marketing saying that he was planning to test the 10,000 theory to win his club championship most people would have said "who cares". (People may be saying who cares anyways...but that is besides the point) He had to make the final goal golf at the highest level to make it interesting. To draw the press to write about him, to make his story at least a little interesting. The headline of the PGA Tour can only help his marketing agenda. So I feel he had no choice but to tell everyone this was the end goal.

This exact same though crossed my mind as well. He really had no other way to get endorsements.

At this point he is a decent golfer, but not too bright. His experience playing with Kota should have shown him just how hard it is to aspire to play in the PGA as that is Kota's dream as well. The funny thing is he's only half of Dan's age with a whole lot more skill. His swing also looks efficient while Dan's still looks a bit weak.

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Originally Posted by mchepp

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Originally Posted by nevets88

Agree. The PGA Tour goal. Way too much pressure. In a way, works against his goal of attaining his best swing.

This is a bit of a marketing issue. He has always said that he wants to have sponsors in order to offset the amount of money he needs to run the entire plan all the way through. In fact his first golf club allowed him to play at their club because he promoted the idea that his notoriety would bring new members to the club. If he had run his marketing saying that he was planning to test the 10,000 theory to win his club championship most people would have said "who cares". (People may be saying who cares anyways...but that is besides the point) He had to make the final goal golf at the highest level to make it interesting. To draw the press to write about him, to make his story at least a little interesting. The headline of the PGA Tour can only help his marketing agenda. So I feel he had no choice but to tell everyone this was the end goal.

I agree. He's handcuffed either way. If you want to carry out a project such as this that really utilizes effective learning methods and deliberate practice, it has to be well funded, the person has to be independently wealthy, or whatever case in which money is no issue. Then no outside influence from people who want to advertise and no pressure to achieve unattainable goals.

Wonder if any Masters/PhD candidates thought of trying this on someone for a thesis. A university that has the facilities and a good team probably has a couple of good coaches or has good connections to coaches. That takes a giant bite out of the cost.

There's really nothing to learn, academically, from an experience like this one. It's pretty obvious that you need talent and lots of practice time to get good at anything. People have been doing this for ages.

[golf-noob-bruce]

There's really nothing to learn, academically, from an experience like this one. It's pretty obvious that you need talent and lots of practice time to get good at anything. People have been doing this for ages.

Mm, might be stretching it a bit. There are things we describe using fluffy terms (athleticism, talent, for example) which, as far as I know, we don't completely understand the scientific basis for. Surely those topics are worthwhile of further academic work? Or are you referring to just The Dan Plan (in which case I wholeheartedly agree).