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Much better mate. I think your over the top move isn't helped by you turning from the top instead of sliding. i.e. right foot props very quickly, instead of rolling. I had this same problem too. Baby steps though, you need to work on one thing at a time.

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During practice, take the club back extremely outside and basically at the top of your swing, do the opposite of the over the top. Get the feeling of it so you understand the difference between them.

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Obviously everyone's swing is different, but I've struggled with a similar move to you, where I take the club away with the club head WAY behind the hands at P2 in an effort to have an in-to-out swing

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Curious to see what Mike and Erik suggest here.  "Shallow" comes from head back + hips forward + right shoulder low + hands leading the clubhead.  If any one of those is missing, you don't get "shallo

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Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Very nice. I like your Mike Weir-esque waggle to get the hands more in and the club more in front of you. More hinging from P2 to P3, right?


I do 3-4 waggles before each shot. I deleted the others here as I didn't want the file to get too big. I'm still trying to get to P2! I'll work on P2 to P3 once I perfect P2. But yes, more hinging! The moment I start thinking about something else I don't get the hands in enough.

Originally Posted by michaeljames92

Much better mate. I think your over the top move isn't helped by you turning from the top instead of sliding. i.e. right foot props very quickly, instead of rolling. I had this same problem too. Baby steps though, you need to work on one thing at a time.


I'm working on this via Evolvr and I'm not allowed to even think about the backswing just yet! ;-) I am hoping the downswing will take care of itself if I get the backswing right. Well...you know what I mean.

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Originally Posted by iacas

I'll get to your wrists momentarily, but on the right shoulder, you really don't have to worry about it. It'll clean up as you do more work.

The backswing is bad. Not gonna lie... I don't think you'd want me to. You absolutely should clean that up. "Outside" isn't a good way of thinking about it. Your hands don't want to go outside, after all.

Anyway, here you go:

What is the program you use to draw lines and such? Did you buy it, how does it work, etc?


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Originally Posted by UruguayanPGA

What is the program you use to draw lines and such? Did you buy it, how does it work, etc?



It's called Analyzr and it's for Mac OS X.  It's awesome, very easy to use

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Originally Posted by UruguayanPGA

is there a version for PC?

no.. You can get v1golf for pc

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Originally Posted by UruguayanPGA

Same thing? How much does it cost?

Look it up, please. With all due respect, this thread isn't about helping you to find software. This ends that conversation, please.

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Still working very hard with Evolvr and still improving the backswing!

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Can you tell us what you are specifically focusing on? Helps us track your improvements.

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I'm working on loading accumulator #2 quicker so I don't get the clubhead stuck behind me, hands in, left shoulder down (right up) more in order to turn shoulders 90º to spine angle and stabilize left knee so I can tilt my hips more. Basically, more tilting and less rotation.

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NO Turn, Just Tilt



Where have I heard that before?....

Pharaoh,

Don't get discouraged.  Your backswing is nothing as bad as mine was/can be.  I have to feel like my head is moving forward and down to keep it from moving up and off the ball.


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Originally Posted by gwlee7

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Where have I heard that before?....

Pharaoh,

Don't get discouraged.  Your backswing is nothing as bad as mine was/can be.  I have to feel like my head is moving forward and down to keep it from moving up and off the ball.



Thanks gwlee7!

I am not getting discouraged, I am really enjoying these swing changes thanks to the guys at GE. I should have started this project a long time ago!

I also have to have the same feeling with my head in order not to lift up. It feels like I am dipping towards the ball.

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Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

Thanks gwlee7!

I am not getting discouraged, I am really enjoying these swing changes thanks to the guys at GE. I should have started this project a long time ago!

I also have to have the same feeling with my head in order not to lift up. It feels like I am dipping towards the ball.


That's good.  I find it hard not to honestly when making changes.  I hate looking like a 20 handicap on the range hitting balls when trying to change.  Also I seem to make progress then go out and play a couple weeks and when I go back I see I've took a few steps back then it's like rebuilding again.   Crazy game.

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Originally Posted by poser

That's good.  I find it hard not to honestly when making changes.  I hate looking like a 20 handicap on the range hitting balls when trying to change.  Also I seem to make progress then go out and play a couple weeks and when I go back I see I've took a few steps back then it's like rebuilding again.   Crazy game.


Don't get me wrong, this is as frustrating as hell. There are days I want to tear my hair out! But all the time I feel I am making progress and the swing is looking better, I'll keep at it. I am staying off of the course for now as this is tough enough on the range!

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Originally Posted by poser

That's good.  I find it hard not to honestly when making changes.  I hate looking like a 20 handicap on the range hitting balls when trying to change.  Also I seem to make progress then go out and play a couple weeks and when I go back I see I've took a few steps back then it's like rebuilding again.   Crazy game.


If you're hitting balls and "looking like a 20 handicapper," odds are you're doing it wrong.

You need to shorten the swing and/or slow down the speed. ISOLATE the piece you are working on, exaggerate it, and have successes. It's virtually impossible to make changes "at speed."

If 100% is the distance I'd normally swing a club on the course, I probably hit about five percent of my golf balls above even 80% the distance because virtually all of my practice is at slower speeds and/or shorter swings.

Yeah, it sucks when you're doing backswing work, but if you're doing backswing work to P2, go to P2.5 or P3 and make a chip length swing (if only because the ball is there and working on your backswing without hitting a ball for an hour is pretty damn boring). If you're working on a downswing or follow-through piece, make a short backswing and swing down slower.

Unless you simply suck at "finding the golf ball" while making changes at a slower pace and shorter length, then you should look good. The ball flight, the divots, etc. should demonstrate that you're moving in the right direction. SIMPLIFY, SLOW, and SHORTEN.

I sense a "Swing Thoughts" coming on.

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I totally agree Erik...most guys practice at full speed which is, as you say pretty much useless in making and feeling the change or adjustment you are working on. I also find many "watch" their hands etc. moving in their backswing during practice. I guarantee that of you watch the move, you will do it right...keep focused on the ball and after making the move, check your position(s). Even better, use your video camera (Love my Casio FH-25). For those who may not know, you don't necessarily need to lug a tripod...just get a camera clamp mount ..it attaches to just about anything, (bag, bagstand etc.) and you get instant feedback...and better video if you are swinging slower

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