2012 Wells Fargo Championship Discussion Thread

[iacas]

Originally Posted by nevets88

And did anyone get the bit where Faldo was talking about McIlroy's hips open so and so degrees compared to other players? I didn't get all of it, I had the volume turned way down. Any merit to the numbers he was quoting?

I believe the numbers were (at A4 and A7, and I know these probably aren't exact but they're in the ballpark):

Average PGA Tour Player: 30 closed and 46 open.

Rory: 49 closed and 67 open.

Translation: his hips are fast.

[GJBenn85]

Originally Posted by TourSpoon

I am glad to see Ricky finally get one. I am sure the guys at Cobra are breathing easier. Ricky could put them back on the map.

Fowler was going to put Cobra "back on the map" regardless of wins.  The future generations of golf tend to idolize him.  They mimic his dress and when they buy clubs, they'll certainly try to mimic his club selections.  Despite some of his outfits, terrible flat-brimmed hats, and God awful mustache, he is a perfect fit for virtually any endorsement.  He gets the attention of golf fans even without wins.  Wins are just icing on the cake.

[Th3R00st3r]

Good win by Depp..I mean Fowler..

[k-troop]

Originally Posted by iacas

Translation: his hips are fast.

So if golf doesn't work out, he could teach Salsa dancing or a Zumba class.

[MEfree]

Originally Posted by nevets88

And did anyone get the bit where Faldo was talking about McIlroy's hips open so and so degrees compared to other players? I didn't get all of it, I had the volume turned way down. Any merit to the numbers he was quoting?

At another point earlier on, they actually mentioned the speed (in degrees per second) that McIroy`s hips turn- I think they said 660 degrees/second but I could have this wrong.  As stated above very fast- one reason he can hit his 3W 330 and the rest of us can`t.

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by MEfree

At another point earlier on, they actually mentioned the speed (in degrees per second) that McIroy`s hips turn- I think they said 660 degrees/second but I could have this wrong.  As stated above very fast- one reason he can hit his 3W 330 and the rest of us can`t.

I guess that's what I need to work on, because I timed my hips at only 450 degrees per second.  I think I can get faster though.  It's possible my hip measuring device needs to be recalibrated, but I find it to have been pretty accurate in the past.

By the way, that may have been the most pure 3 wood I've ever seen.

Brandon

[k-troop]

Originally Posted by bplewis24

I guess that's what I need to work on, because I timed my hips at only 450 degrees per second.  I think I can get faster though.  It's possible my hip measuring device needs to be recalibrated, but I find it to have been pretty accurate in the past.

By the way, that may have been the most pure 3 wood I've ever seen.

Brandon

That's a joke, right?  Sorry, it's hard to discern snide from serious on an internet forum.

[BallStriker]

By "solid," I think he was referring to the fact that his first PGA tour win came on a great course and against a very, very good and deep field -- this was not the Reno-Tahoe event.  He was not referring to the margain of victory.

Originally Posted by luu5

What does solid mean in case of play-off win?

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by k-troop

That's a joke, right?  Sorry, it's hard to discern snide from serious on an internet forum.

Are you jealous because you don't have one?

Just kidding :)  A good portion of my posts are sarcastic.

Brandon

[MEfree]

Originally Posted by k-troop

That's a joke, right?  Sorry, it's hard to discern snide from serious on an internet forum.

that`s the second time this week you made me laugh...I was thinking the same thing

[Beachcomber]

There were some post on here yesterday regarding D.A. Points fringe putt in the sudden death playoff hole that I wanted to comment on.  Especially after reading the post within this thread about D.A. and his actions on the playoff hole.

When I was watching the coverage live yesterday, I remember thinking that it was strange that he had marked his ball on the fringe and cleaned it.  And then his caddie was tending the pin from the fringe as he putted.  And I was really surprised that nothing was said or done regarding the penalty - as you can't mark your ball on the fringe - unless it is requested by another player as it is on their intended line of play (and even then - you can't clean the ball on the fringe - even when marked).  To be honest, I wasn't paying 100% attention at the time of the original airing, as I was in the middle of helping my wife in the kitchen - and looking back and forth at the TV.

But then reading this thread later that night, it really got me thinking about the potential error D.A. made.  Then this afternoon, while I was eating lunch - I just happened to flip on the Golf Channel and they were re-airing the CBS coverage from yesterday's Wells Fargo Championship.  It was perfect timing as my DVR was working and I was able to rewind the approach shot, and then see what exactly occurred from the approach shot (2nd shot) to his putt (3rd shot).

Here is a video that I made from watching the 2nd and 3rd shots of D.A. Points.

Look I'm no rules genius.... First, I was surprised that his caddie was tending the pin while he was on the fringe.  I was under the impression that you could only tend the pin if you were on the green.  But after looking at Rule 17 - it shows that you can tend the pin anywhere on the course.  Did this rule change in the last 15yrs?  Honestly, I for some reason thought you could only tend the pin - during the stroke - when the player was on the green.  Given D.A. Points was on the fringe, I didn't think a caddie - or another player was able to tend the pin. So I learned something new here.

Secondly, did the Golf Channel edit out the part where D.A. Points marked and cleaned his ball on the fringe?  You can see from the video - there was nothing that showed this... As soon as Rory hit his approach shot, and it came to rest some 25ft from the pin, CBS/Golf Channel went to commercial.  As soon as they returned from commercial - D.A. Points was putting.  So I'm asking the folks on here... Do any of you have the original airing of the tournamanet from yesterday on DVR?  Did Golf Channel edit this out?

I really believe D.A. Points was on the fringe as Jim Nantz even commented that the ball was on the fringe and he was going to have to deal with that - as well as perhaps the rough given the ball was so close to the next cut of grass.

I'm posting this to bring up discussion (we are on a forum message board)... And not trying to say D.A. cheated or anything.  But I would like to hear if anyone has the original tape to take a look at.

[BallStriker]

Originally Posted by Beachcomber

Look I'm no rules genius.... First, I was surprised that his caddie was tending the pin while he was on the fringe.  I was under the impression that you could only tend the pin if you were on the green.  But after looking at Rule 17 - it shows that you can tend the pin anywhere on the course.  Did this rule change in the last 15yrs?  Honestly, I for some reason thought you could only tend the pin - during the stroke - when the player was on the green.  Given D.A. Points was on the fringe, I didn't think a caddie - or another player was able to tend the pin. So I learned something new here.

If you recall, Phil Mickelson had Bones tend the pin on his approach on 18 at Torrey Pines last year -- I'm no rules expert either, but I don't think this rule has changed recently.

Secondly, did the Golf Channel edit out the part where D.A. Points marked and cleaned his ball on the fringe?  You can see from the video - there was nothing that showed this... As soon as Rory hit his approach shot, and it came to rest some 25ft from the pin, CBS/Golf Channel went to commercial.  As soon as they returned from commercial - D.A. Points was putting.  So I'm asking the folks on here... Do any of you have the original airing of the tournamanet from yesterday on DVR?  Did Golf Channel edit this out?

I really believe D.A. Points was on the fringe as Jim Nantz even commented that the ball was on the fringe and he was going to have to deal with that - as well as perhaps the rough given the ball was so close to the next cut of grass.

I'm posting this to bring up discussion (we are on a forum message board)... And not trying to say D.A. cheated or anything.  But I would like to hear if anyone has the original tape to take a look at.

I believe that the mowing crew went one time around the edge of the green (just inside the fringe) and it made it appear a difference color, but in fact was part of the green -- I doubt highly that any pro would mark a ball that was clearly off the green.  I have this DVR'd and will look again tonight, but pretty sure that is the reason.

[showtime583]

Originally Posted by Beachcomber

Honestly, I for some reason thought you could only tend the pin - during the stroke - when the player was on the green.  Given D.A. Points was on the fringe, I didn't think a caddie - or another player was able to tend the pin. So I learned something new here.

I really believe D.A. Points was on the fringe as Jim Nantz even commented that the ball was on the fringe and he was going to have to deal with that - as well as perhaps the rough given the ball was so close to the next cut of grass.

On tending the pin - you can have the pin tended at any point. Last year at Torrey Pines, Phil had his caddie tend the flag from 72 yards out on 18 because he was trying hole-out to force a playoff with Bubba...

On D.A. Points - For some reason the green was mowed differently right before the fringe at Quail Hollow. I remember thinking the same thing (looked like he was on the fringe), but it was just a different direction of cut on the putting surface and the way it looked on camera.

[Beachcomber]

I've seen where courses will mow one strip around the green - with the mower at the same height as the green where they had mowed it in a crisscross pattern... Then raise the mower for the fringe height - mow it in a circle around - then transition off to the rough and fairway heights accordingly... But I found it strange that Nantz even said he was on the fringe.

Lastly, I just did a little searching around on Rule 17 about the flagstick.  And I guess I was completely wrong - or misinformed.  Here is the history of Rule 17 according to Barry Rhodes Rules of Golf blog...

The Flagstick:
First mention 1875, but certainly in use before then.

1875 either party may have the flagstick removed when approaching the hole. This stayed in force until 1956.

1882 when a ball is within 20 yds of the hole, the flagstick must be removed (stroke play) - 1899 rules included a one stroke penalty for a breach. No penalty in match play for hitting the flagstick, attended or not.

R&A; 1888 when a ball rests against the flagstick, the stick may be removed.

1902 Loss of hole for striking a flagstick that had been removed by player's own side. In stroke play, the flagstick must be removed before playing when ball from within 20 yards, penalty 1 stroke.

1908 Stroke play, rule changed to 2 strokes penalty for hitting the flagstick or a person standing at the hole. 1912 word change to read 'strikes, or is stopped by...'

1933 loss of hole for striking a flagstick removed or held by the player's own side - if held or removed by opponents, then THEY lost the hole. Stroke play rule unchanged.

The 1952 code restated that striking an unattended flagstick from anywhere carried no penalty in match play, or from over 20 yards from the hole in stroke play. Striking the flagstick or the person attending it from within 20 yards carried a 2 stroke penalty.

1956 Rule was rewritten. Now the responsibilities and penalties fell to the player, and match and stroke play were treated the same. Two strokes or loss of hole if the player's ball struck the flagstick or the person attending it. No penalty for striking an unattended flagstick from any distance.

1968 penalty of loss of hole or 2 strokes for hitting an unattended flagstick with stroke from the putting green.

It has always been the case that the flagstick can be removed when a ball is at rest against it and should the ball fall in, it is considered holed.

1960 In adjusting the flagstick, the player may leave it at whatever angle it is found at, or set it upright. He cannot tilt the stick to his advantage (decision, 1956).

[Beachcomber]

Showtime in response to your comment on the fringe...

I don't think there is any denying he putted from the fringe... The only question now is did he mark his ball and clean it?  And was that edited out of the re-air?

[Motley01]

Originally Posted by Th3R00st3r

Good win by Depp..I mean Fowler..

That's funny as hell. I wonder if he makes his mustache look like Dep's on purpose? Probably. And what's he doing with a girlfiend, good grief he's only 23. Play the field man, there's more out there for ya.

But congrats to Ricky, well done.

[colin007]

Beachcomber, I think you may be right...looks like fringe to me.

[uttexas]

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