Will Tiger Break Jack's Major Record?? (2012 Edition)

[iacas]

Amateur performances don't often translate into dominant professional careers.

Either way they really have nothing to do with this conversation unless they start stealing majors he would otherwise win.

[David in FL]

Interesting that the only guys under par after 36 holes of a very tough US Open are Tiger and two guys in their 40's.

Sadly, 36 holes does not a championship make......

[Mr. Desmond]

Don't know - he is contending again, but his rounds are inconsistent. By the end of 2012, that should be enough time to see where his game is going for the next 10-12 years. Can he win 5 majors in 48 attempts? (approximate numbers)

[cwebbie]

. Good players won more majors in Jack's time because there were so few of them.  When there are 5 guys who have the ability to some degree consistently compete in majors they are each going to win more majors than if there are 25 players who have the ability to consistently compete in majors.  Jack himself used to day that there were only a handful of guys he had to worry about in the majors.  There are lots more guys to worry about, now, which makes Tigers achievements more, not less, remarkable than Jack's.

And yet here's another example of a guy backing into a major because player after player got his pipes burst by the pressure. You say there are five times as many champion golfers in today's game (players that can execute on the back 9 on Sunday). I see a whole lot of guys that play great until they have to). Three years ago Tom Watson outplayed all but one of these modern day "athletes" at 60 years old.

[iacas]

And yet here's another example of a guy backing into a major because player after player got his pipes burst by the pressure. You say there are five times as many champion golfers in today's game (players that can execute on the back 9 on Sunday). I see a whole lot of guys that play great until they have to). Three years ago Tom Watson outplayed all but one of these modern day "athletes" at 60 years old.

Yeah, 68-68, he really backed into that one. I think the fact that Simpson won a major almost disproves your point more than it helps it. Or, to put it another way, if someone almost exactly like Lee Westwood existed in the Palmer/Nicklaus era, I think he might have five majors by now.

[Wansteadimp]

Originally Posted by cwebbie

And yet here's another example of a guy backing into a major because player after player got his pipes burst by the pressure. You say there are five times as many champion golfers in today's game (players that can execute on the back 9 on Sunday). I see a whole lot of guys that play great until they have to). Three years ago Tom Watson outplayed all but one of these modern day "athletes" at 60 years old.

Guys that have proved they can't get done in the past like McDowell & Furyk? Both of who won Majors as front runners?

[muggs]

67% of you think he'll win 19 or more? You guys smoke good stuff around here, please pass it this way. Tiger may win one or two more Majors, but 19 is not happening. He's too far gone, his body has been failing him, and there are some very good young players on Tour now. It's good for the Tour to see Tiger hanging around on Sunday, but Tiger in his prime doesn't start a Sunday by going bogey, bogey, double. It would be nice to see the media move on and start to give other players their due.

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by muggs

67% of you think he'll win 19 or more? You guys smoke good stuff around here, please pass it this way. Tiger may win one or two more Majors, but 19 is not happening. He's too far gone, his body has been failing him, and there are some very good young players on Tour now. It's good for the Tour to see Tiger hanging around on Sunday, but Tiger in his prime doesn't start a Sunday by going bogey, bogey, double. It would be nice to see the media move on and start to give other players their due.

So he'll win 2 more, but winning another 3 is so absurd that the people must be high on recreational drugs?  Got it!

[Wally Fairway]

Originally Posted by brocks

Interesting that the only guys under par after 36 holes of a very tough US Open are Tiger and two guys in their 40's. Meanwhile, the young turks like Dustin Johnson and Rory McIlroy have the weekend off.

I'm going to credit Tiger for 1/2 of a major, in recognition of his (co-)leading after Friday .... only 3 1/2 more to go to catch Jacks record!!!

[muggs]

Originally Posted by bplewis24

So he'll win 2 more, but winning another 3 is so absurd that the people must be high on recreational drugs?  Got it!

Huh? He has 14.

I'll type this slow so you can follow. Like I said, I think he may get one or two more. 14 + 1 = 15  and 14 + 2 = 16  Now, in order to win 19 or more, he'd have to win at least 5 more Majors.

Thanks for your contribution to this thread though.

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by muggs

Huh? He has 14.

I'll type this slow so you can follow. Like I said, I think he may get one or two more. 14 + 1 = 15  and 14 + 2 = 16  Now, in order to win 19 or more, he'd have to win at least 5 more Majors.

Thanks for your contribution to this thread though.

Well if we are comparing apples to apples.  Jack really has 20 majors and Tiger has 17, so he only needs 3 more to tie.  US Ams count in their case.

[iacas]

Huh? He has 14.

I took that to mean "if he can win 2 more (to get to 16), he can win 3 more on top of that (to get to 19)."

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by Mr3Wiggle

Quote:

Originally Posted by muggs

Huh? He has 14.

I'll type this slow so you can follow. Like I said, I think he may get one or two more. 14 + 1 = 15  and 14 + 2 = 16  Now, in order to win 19 or more, he'd have to win at least 5 more Majors.

Thanks for your contribution to this thread though.

Well if we are comparing apples to apples.  Jack really has 20 majors and Tiger has 17, so he only needs 3 more to tie.  US Ams count in their case.

So Ryan Moore has the same number of majors as Tom Kite? Cool!!

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

So Ryan Moore has the same number of majors as Tom Kite? Cool!!

They say if you win a professional major then the ams count.  By they I mean Jack and other champions.

[sean_miller]

Who are "they"? Were they a sportswriter when Bobby Jones was still competing? Of course the modern amateur titles don't count.

[muggs]

Originally Posted by iacas

I took that to mean "if he can win 2 more (to get to 16), he can win 3 more on top of that (to get to 19)."

Could have been what he meant.

[Mr3Wiggle]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

Who are "they"? Were they a sportswriter when Bobby Jones was still competing? Of course the modern amateur titles don't count.

There is definitely a school of thought out there that consider Ams to be majors.  If you go by historical signifcance then the British and US Ams are majors, but then so again is the Western Open.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by Mr3Wiggle

Quote:

Originally Posted by sean_miller

Who are "they"? Were they a sportswriter when Bobby Jones was still competing? Of course the modern amateur titles don't count.

There is definitely a school of thought out there that consider Ams to be majors.  If you go by historical signifcance then the British and US Ams are majors, but then so again is the Western Open.

Yeah, I've read that too. People who tried to justify Bobby Jones being ranked as a better player than Tom Watson, Ben Hogan, Gene Sarazen, etcetera. Jones played against lesser competition.

Maybe Tiger can retire for a couple years, get reinstated as an amateur then win 5 of those?