2013 WGC-Cadillac Championship at Doral Discussion Thread

[soon_tourpro]

Originally Posted by Ernest Jones

Ah crap. I need some HELP!

Just got informed by the little lady that I'm going to the in laws for dinner tomorrow. These in laws, heathens really, don't have the golf channel (I know, I know) so I need to know when NBC coverage takes over so I can try to plan ( manipulate) things so I can catch the finish of this.

I'm thinking of faking an illness, maybe start power slamming' scotch right now so I can plead hangover tomorrow.

having a wife that dont understand golf is a call for divorce.

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by Chas

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Originally Posted by jbishop15

Listening to Miller about Tiger only hitting cuts is infuriating. For one, he's a professional golfer: he knows how to hit a draw. Two, he's Tiger freaking Woods! I think he knows what he's doing.

I missed that bit - what did Miller say exactly?  Later in the day, on TGC, someone (Chambliss?) said that T. was basically only hitting cuts (no draws) and that this is a big part of his current high level of confidence.   He has almost completely eliminated the miss to the left (is this true?) and so can deal with certain dangerous situations better than anyone.  He certainly wasn't implying that Tiger is incapable of hitting a draw, not to me anyway.  Was Miller implying this in your view?

It is clear that Tiger now expects to make putts in the 15-25 ft range, I mean genuinely so.  He is disappointed when he misses (usually not by much) in a way that indicates his confidence.  I haven't seen this in him since the glory days.

Had Miller been in the booth during Jack's playing days he could have made the same statement.  Yes, Jack could hit a draw, but not with the same control that he played a fade, and he just didn't like to play a draw unless he had to.

Tiger is doing the same thing, playing the fade because it's more natural for him, and more importantly, it's working.  Of course he can hit a draw, but not with the same kind of consistency as that fade, so he's going to go with what works unless he actually needs to play a draw.  Most good players do the same thing - they go with their stock shot unless something else is actually required.

[zipazoid]

This smells like a Tiger rout. Birdeing 18 after the bad break on 17 with the ball in the tree shows me he's singularly focused on getting the job done. I think he wins by at least 6 shots.

[nevets88]

There's still the off chance that Woods' putter goes cold and hits a couple of loose shots at the wrong time. Not likely, but possible.

[Ernest Jones]

There's still the off chance that Woods' putter goes cold and hits a couple of loose shots at the wrong time. Not likely, but possible.

That would make things interesting but Tiger is looking like the old Cyborg Terminator version of Tiger right now so I'd say its doubtful. Still pulling for GMAC but I always pull for Europe. Still, as a golf fan can't complain about a Tiger blowout.

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by Fourputt

Had Miller been in the booth during Jack's playing days he could have made the same statement.  Yes, Jack could hit a draw, but not with the same control that he played a fade, and he just didn't like to play a draw unless he had to.

Tiger is doing the same thing, playing the fade because it's more natural for him, and more importantly, it's working.  Of course he can hit a draw, but not with the same kind of consistency as that fade, so he's going to go with what works unless he actually needs to play a draw.  Most good players do the same thing - they go with their stock shot unless something else is actually required.

Tiger goes after the ball with everything off a driver, so my guess is the only shape that can control his errors off the driver is a cut.

He picked up a Covert 5 wood to replace the yellow SQ - I've seen him hit draws with the 5 wood. Haven't seen him enough to comment on irons, but I would think he would go both ways. The driver and 3 wood - probably a cut unless the shot must call for a draw.

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by Chas

I missed that bit - what did Miller say exactly?  Later in the day, on TGC, someone (Chambliss?) said that T. was basically only hitting cuts (no draws) and that this is a big part of his current high level of confidence.   He has almost completely eliminated the miss to the left (is this true?) and so can deal with certain dangerous situations better than anyone.  He certainly wasn't implying that Tiger is incapable of hitting a draw, not to me anyway.  Was Miller implying this in your view?

He wasn't just implying it, he was pretty explicit about how he is going to need to hit a draw to win the Masters and was unsure if Tiger would be able to.  Just before he hit the draw at 18 to set up the birdie putt, Miller was asking if he could still hit a draw or not, and then after he hit the draw, he remarked that he was glad he was still able to do it.

To me it seems really silly because I've seen Tiger hit draws at least a handful of times per round over the past 12 months or so.  But Johnny and others sometimes act like he hasn't hit a draw in 2 years or something.

[Ernest Jones]

Didn't there used to be a chat room somewhere on TST, I could have sworn I've chatted during tournaments on here? Maybe it was a dream?

Maybe I need a life...LOL.

[Ernest Jones]

I have TGC on in the other room and I think I heard Chamblee just say that it could be argued that GMAC's 69 was better than Tiger's 67????

And......7 is more than 11. C'mon, we know you hate Tiger but seriously????

Chamblee is an idiot. Or an ID-10-T as we used to call 'em.

[Ernest Jones]

Rory, sorry, Schlory is looking pretty solid. Obviously he is way outta this tournament but it looks like has turned the corner.

[Chas]

He wasn't just implying it, he was pretty explicit about how he is going to need to hit a draw to win the Masters and was unsure if Tiger would be able to.  Just before he hit the draw at 18 to set up the birdie putt, Miller was asking if he could still hit a draw or not, and then after he hit the draw, he remarked that he was glad he was still able to do it. To me it seems really silly because I've seen Tiger hit draws at least a handful of times per round over the past 12 months or so.  But Johnny and others sometimes act like he hasn't hit a draw in 2 years or something.

Perhaps he only meant that T can't hit a draw as consistently and so trying to do it would introduce unnecessary risk. I don't know but it makes sense. Someone should ask Tiger why he isn't hitting more draws. "Err Tiger Sir, err, we on TST forum have been wondering why you've, err, been hitting so few draws. Is it perhaps, err, because you fear the snap hook or something .... Sir?"

[Zwick]

Another solid round for McIlroy, he sure doesn't look like the number 1 player. But at least he doesn't look like the number 400 either.

They just showed Woods on the range. I don't know if it's a bad sign, that he looked a bit frustrated and rehearsing swings. I guess we can tell after the first tee shot.

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by Ernest Jones

I have TGC on in the other room and I think  I heard Chamblee just say that it could be argued that GMAC's 69 was better than Tiger's 67????

And......7 is more than 11. C'mon, we know you hate Tiger but seriously????

Chamblee is an idiot. Or an ID-10-T as we used to call 'em.

I thought Tiger's round was pretty impressive when you consider he didn't drive it well.

Originally Posted by Chas

Perhaps he only meant that T can't hit a draw as consistently and so trying to do it would introduce unnecessary risk. I don't know but it makes sense.

Maybe.  But that doesn't explain why he was acting surprised and relieved on 18 when Tiger hit 1 stinking draw with a 9 iron.  He acted like the mystery had been solved.

[Dave H]

Well, it looked like tiger hit a draw for his second on 1, so I guess that answers that.

[jamo]

Tiger and Grame both made birdie putts on 2 during the transition from GC to NBC. Have they showed them or did it just miss it?

[darkhunter139]

Wow what a shot! Looks like Tiger is about to go -20.

[jamo]

Sergio is well on his way to a typical Sergio Sunday. Just close enough to the lead where he can make it interesting if he puts up a low number, but far enough away so that there's no pressure. Aaaaaaand just as Tiger takes a 5-shot league, he sprays one into the trees.

[ace3g]

Adam Scott, 7 birdies through 12 holes (-13 for the tourney)