My Swing (billchao)

[billchao]

1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

It's because of the white belt!

It's an appropriate belt color for my driver swing 😥

1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

Slow it down and work on sequence.

Yea. Part of it is just remembering to make the right movement for me instead of the "natural" one. I can make the "cut" swing movement but only when I remember to.

1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

I would rather have your hip turn than mine at impact. But I guess too much of a good thing can create issues as well.

It's probably a product of always being small as a kid. I didn't have the arm strength so I learned to put my lower body into everything for power. It's automatic.

[boogielicious]

12 minutes ago, billchao said:

It's an appropriate belt color for my driver swing 😥

That's a great idea, different colored belts for handicap levels!

12 minutes ago, billchao said:

I didn't have the arm strength so I learned to put my lower body into everything for power. It's automatic.

I've used that feel lately and am starting to see some improvement. Do you pull the hips rotating all the way through to A8? I can feel it from A4 to 6 or after impact, but never at impact for some reason.

[billchao]

1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

I've used that feel lately and am starting to see some improvement. Do you pull the hips rotating all the way through to A8? I can feel it from A4 to 6 or after impact, but never at impact for some reason.

My hips just rotate and my lead leg extends as I swing through. I can feel them rotating but it's not something I'm actively thinking about or trying to do. If I feel them bump at A4 that means they've fired too early and I'm out of sequence.

I'll upload an "arms only" swing later and you'll see they still rotate.

Edit: actually I seem to have deleted that video, too. I'll record another sometime this week.

[billchao]

 

Those swings feel all arms. Not trying to feel an active hip bump or slide or any rotation, but not trying to stop or resist any hip movement, either. Just focusing on being more active with the arms and letting the hips come along for the ride. Feel ain't real - the hips still move first in transition. Much better sequencing though.

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And just because I'm me, I played around with feels and got something interesting. Little bit of a pause at the top to feel the clubhead drop behind me (as opposed to going across the line).

 

Was supposed to capture a "cut" swing driver, but I liked this look so I wanted to see what would happen with the driver, so I went ahead filmed it. I screwed up the slow motion on the DTL swing:

 

I like to play around with feels see how they affect my swing. Probably more than actually working on targeted improvement, I'll admit. I don't know, I just enjoy it. It's fun. I needed to have a little fun today.

[boogielicious]

I like the arms only drill and I think that will help.

I think the pause at the top with the drop feel is doing the opposite of what you want. It looks like the club steepens from A4 to 5 versus your previous.

From last week.

Pause at the top.

Are you trying to get a better A6 position? Because I think it would be easier to go steep to shallow from A4 to A6. I do that with a little palmar flexion as I go from A4 to A5 and it has improved my A6. I'm still a little steep at A5, but my instructor likes how the whole sequence goes.

[billchao]

1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

I like the arms only drill and I think that will help.

Yea I need to incorporate some form of that in my regular practice. Overactive hips and arms lagging behind has always been an issue.

1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

I think the pause at the top with the drop feel is doing the opposite of what you want. It looks like the club steepens from A4 to 5 versus your previous.

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm almost too shallow with the pause and drop feel: 

Last week: 

1 hour ago, boogielicious said:

Are you trying to get a better A6 position? Because I think it would be easier to go steep to shallow from A4 to A6. I do that with a little palmar flexion as I go from A4 to A5 and it has improved my A6. I'm still a little steep at A5, but my instructor likes how the whole sequence goes.

I'm not trying to hit a better position, per se. I've always had a decent A6 in terms of clubhead lining up with my hands, at least with the irons. I'm working on getting rid of the rolling over of my forearms late in the downswing and removing that timing component. The roll is much more pronounced with the driver because on the upswing is when my hands turn over, which causes me to hit every miss on the face of the planet.

Last weekend: 

Yesterday:

The path is less right, too, which you can see from where the club exits my body.

The shallow and subsequent late steepening in the downswing produces a more stable clubface position through A7 than coming down steeper and shallowing late. The pause and drop swing isn't 100% where I want to be but it's closer to what I'm trying to do.

Key #4 stuff and how that affects Key #5, specifically. Or rather, I'm working on Key #5 by changing how I do Key #4.

[hoselpalooza]

@billchao, driver swings are looking pretty nice imho. 👍

with your irons, what do you focus on to flatten the club at the top of the backswing? 

p.s. <insert clever joke about the white belt> 😆

[billchao]

1 hour ago, hoselpalooza said:

@billchao, driver swings are looking pretty nice imho.

Thanks. You mean the ones from yesterday, right? Because the ones from over the weekend are a steaming pile of shit.

1 hour ago, hoselpalooza said:

with your irons, what do you focus on to flatten the club at the top of the backswing?

I mentioned it in the post, but basically a slight hesitation at the top to feel the clubhead drop behind me before I swing down instead of swinging down right at the top of the backswing.

Feels like a change in tempo. Instead of going 1-2 I'm swinging 1-rest-2.

[chspeed]

18 hours ago, billchao said:

Thanks. You mean the ones from yesterday, right? Because the ones from over the weekend are a steaming pile of shit.

I mentioned it in the post, but basically a slight hesitation at the top to feel the clubhead drop behind me before I swing down instead of swinging down right at the top of the backswing.

Feels like a change in tempo. Instead of going 1-2 I'm swinging 1-rest-2.

Good stuff. I suffer from a similar malady of arms not keeping up with body. The "arms only feeling" (for me, it's more "starting with the arms first" feeling) works great for me...for a while. But then I tend to overdo it and start hanging back. If you can figure out how to keep things more in sync over time, please share!

[nevets88]

19 hours ago, billchao said:

I mentioned it in the post, but basically a slight hesitation at the top to feel the clubhead drop behind me before I swing down instead of swinging down right at the top of the backswing.

This is the same feeling I use to shallow. The feeling of unhinging early is counterintuitive, you'd think that would reduce CHS, but no if you sequence it right. Can overdo it too, I can get shaft pointing way way outside the ball at A5 as does @billchao demonstrated for his swing above. I used to think pointing way outside ball at A5, that's not too bad, better than inside, but both have their problems, you want it juuust right, like the porridge with the bears.

[billchao]

58 minutes ago, chspeed said:

Good stuff. I suffer from a similar malady of arms not keeping up with body. The "arms only feeling" (for me, it's more "starting with the arms first" feeling) works great for me...for a while. But then I tend to overdo it and start hanging back. If you can figure out how to keep things more in sync over time, please share!

It's just a matter of monitoring it. I film enough of my swing overtime that I'll usually catch when I start overdoing something.

16 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

This is the same feeling I use to shallow. The feeling of unhinging early is counterintuitive, you'd think that would reduce CHS, but no if you sequence it right. Can overdo it too, I can get shaft pointing way way outside the ball at A5 as does @billchao demonstrated for his swing above.

If you transition steep, you have to shallow somewhere. If you transition flat, you have to steepen. The latter for me causes less randomness with the clubface at impact, so that's what I'm working towards.

21 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

I used to think pointing way outside ball at A5, that's not too bad, better than inside, but both have their problems, you want it juuust right, like the porridge with the bears.

Everybody is different. Some people compensate in certain ways better than others. From the look of that swing, I steepen well so being too shallow in transition probably won't be an issue. I know for a fact that transitioning a little steep and shallowing late has disastrous consequences for me

There's a range of functional operation in terms of mechanics so as long as I'm working within it, the only thing that's important is how easily repeatable the action is for me to get consistent results. Sergio does something similar with being too shallow. On the flip side, Phil plays pretty good golf for a guy that transitions a little steep.

[hoselpalooza]

21 hours ago, billchao said:

You mean the ones from yesterday, right?

yup!

 

21 hours ago, billchao said:

basically a slight hesitation at the top to feel the clubhead drop behind me before I swing down instead of swinging down right at the top of the backswing.

Feels like a change in tempo. Instead of going 1-2 I'm swinging 1-rest-2.

good stuff, thanks. am working on something similar and it's nice to see how others are going about it. 👍

[Slim_Pivot]

7 hours ago, nevets88 said:

This is the same feeling I use to shallow. The feeling of unhinging early is counterintuitive, you'd think that would reduce CHS, but no if you sequence it right. Can overdo it too, I can get shaft pointing way way outside the ball at A5 as does @billchao demonstrated for his swing above. I used to think pointing way outside ball at A5, that's not too bad, better than inside, but both have their problems, you want it juuust right, like the porridge with the bears.

Sorry for taking up space on your page. 

But @billchao or @nevets88 what is “just right”? I don’t really know what’s ideal.

[billchao]

41 minutes ago, Slim_Pivot said:

But @billchao or @nevets88 what is “just right”? I don’t really know what’s ideal.

It depends? I don't think there's an ideal, just too little or too much for other stuff you do. That's kind of the point I was making when I wrote that Sergio and Phil both are world class golfers with opposing transition moves.

[nevets88]

39 minutes ago, billchao said:

It depends? I don't think there's an ideal, just too little or too much for other stuff you do. That's kind of the point I was making when I wrote that Sergio and Phil both are world class golfers with opposing transition moves.

 

39 minutes ago, billchao said:

But @billchao or @nevets88 what is “just right”? I don’t really know what’s ideal.

But both are an extreme that require great timing that most just don't have. By just right, which depends for everyone, is the rate of shallowing then steepening - gradually versus extremes. Garcia shallows hard, but then steepens hard. Mickelson steepens hard, then shallows hard. Wouldn't it be easier, in general, to find a happy medium between the two?

Also look at Matthew Wolff, who does a whole lot of shallowing because he's so across the line at the top. Like from 4 he's shallowing, so hard, then around 5.5, stops the shallow and steepens.  It works for him and I wouldn't change it, but is that ideal for most of us w/less talent and time? That's just my uninformed opinion. 

What I noticed in the after swings @billchao likes is that the shallowing steepening rates are less extreme, he's basically trying to find rates that are ideal for him.

[billchao]

Ok, confession time: I'm secretly obsessed with pitch elbow. I don't have a real reason for it other than it's something I could never figure out and wanted to do. I guess it will help shallow the shaft, so I have a legitimate reason 😜

I finally did it at full speed:

 

 

I did it. I don't care how the rest of the swing looks. I'm good now. I can retire from golf.

[hoselpalooza]

@billchao, are those mp-5's? 

[billchao]

7 minutes ago, hoselpalooza said:

@billchao, are those mp-5's? 

MP4s.