Tiger Woods Master Catch-All Discussion

[nevets88]

Yep, Tiger Woods' Arnie followthrough was meme'd

 

[chspeed]

What if Tiger just isn't working hard enough anymore? The talent is, of course, still there. The swing speed is back. The desire to win again is, I'm sure, still there.

But the simple fact is that as a hugely successful middle-aged family man, he's got a lot of stuff on his mind and his schedule.

Even if he thinks he's working really hard, there's no way he's putting in the type of quality time and effort he did when he was 25. It's not possible. It's the same reason why most venture capitalists won't invest in older founders. Winning big often requires more than experience and talent.

 

Edited February 18, 2018 by chspeed

[saevel25]

7 minutes ago, chspeed said:

What if Tiger just isn't working hard enough anymore? The talent is, of course, still there. The swing speed is back. The desire to win again is, I'm sure, still there.

The guy has gone through multiple medical procedures. He has a ton of rust to knock off. It takes a crazy amount of precision to hit the ball the way he needs to at the swing speed he has. I’m pretty optimistic if he stays healthy he’ll get over the hump and win a tournament. 

[chspeed]

11 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

The guy has gone through multiple medical procedures. He has a ton of rust to knock off. It takes a crazy amount of precision to hit the ball the way he needs to at the swing speed he has. I’m pretty optimistic if he stays healthy he’ll get over the hump and win a tournament. 

I know - and he's hardly played in years. He's "on the clock" though - at best, there's only so many good swings left in that body. Good sign that he's playing back-to-back next week.

[jbishop15]

24 minutes ago, chspeed said:

What if Tiger just isn't working hard enough anymore? The talent is, of course, still there. The swing speed is back. The desire to win again is, I'm sure, still there.

But the simple fact is that as a hugely successful middle-aged family man, he's got a lot of stuff on his mind and his schedule.

Even if he thinks he's working really hard, there's no way he's putting in the type of quality time and effort he did when he was 25. It's not possible. It's the same reason why most venture capitalists won't invest in older founders. Winning big often requires more than experience and talent.

 

The fact that’s hes back at all means he’s working his ass off. You don’t come back from multiple back surgeries and a few fused vertebrae without a lot of work.

[nevets88]

I remember when Duval tried to come back. He wanted his kids to see a semblance of what was once his greatness, unfortunately, it didn't work out. I wonder if that isn't some of Woods' motivation, not that he needed more of it, he has always been a competitive guy.

[jbishop15]

1 hour ago, nevets88 said:

I remember when Duval tried to come back. He wanted his kids to see a semblance of what was once his greatness, unfortunately, it didn't work out. I wonder if that isn't some of Woods' motivation, not that he needed more of it, he has always been a competitive guy.

I've talked to people I trust who say that he went through a really rough time, mentally, when things were going bad. I think he's also stated publicly that when he won the British Open, that fulfilled his goals of being a major champion, and he kind of lost his edge after that. 

[Zeph]

What's Tiger's biggest motivation these days? Beating Jack? Getting back to winning tournaments? Back to being world's number one? He's set for life in many ways, but obviously loves to compete and win tournaments.

[nevets88]

He's got plenty saying he's done for. But he's always had naysayers. Remember Mats Wilander? He had a massive season in 1988, almost won 4 majors, bowing out in the QF of Wimbledon, but winning the other three. He was done after that, he just faded and quit. No more motivation.

[iacas]

9 hours ago, jbishop15 said:

The fact that’s hes back at all means he’s working his ass off. You don’t come back from multiple back surgeries and a few fused vertebrae without a lot of work.

QFT.

[skydog]

On 2/18/2018 at 11:37 AM, jbishop15 said:

The fact that’s hes back at all means he’s working his ass off. You don’t come back from multiple back surgeries and a few fused vertebrae without a lot of work.

And come back from all that and finish only 7 shots off the winning total  in your first real tournament back (Torrey) against a really tough field.  Pretty impressive in my book. 

[nevets88]

What it looks like when superheroes lose their superpowers.

 

[colin007]

Hey @iacas, if you had a half hour with Tiger on the range, what would you work on? Give specifics?

[iacas]

3 hours ago, colin007 said:

Hey @iacas, if you had a half hour with Tiger on the range, what would you work on? Give specifics?

Your mom.

That's the answer I give to my college kids when I don't really hear the whole question or don't really want to answer it.

In this case, more the latter. I'd have to record his swing, ask him what he's trying to accomplish, and take it from there.

Generally speaking, though, as he's been great on the range and crap on the course (by his standards, anyway), I might just talk to him about that. The difference between the two. The cause and effect of that.

[colin007]

46 minutes ago, iacas said:

Your mom.

That's the answer I give to my college kids when I don't really hear the whole question or don't really want to answer it.

In this case, more the latter. I'd have to record his swing, ask him what he's trying to accomplish, and take it from there.

Generally speaking, though, as he's been great on the range and crap on the course (by his standards, anyway), I might just talk to him about that. The difference between the two. The cause and effect of that.

Lol your mom...I used to tell my students at school that all the time!

I was hoping you'd give some insight into either his big driver misses, his double crosses, or his distance control with the short irons.

But you actually raised a great point. He definitely does NOT typically bring his range swing to the first tee...it's maddening. Remember that shot tracker range session video? Imagine him doing that on a course? Actually, I imagine him doing that when he's playing by himself at home. 

[iacas]

3 minutes ago, colin007 said:

I was hoping you'd give some insight into either his big driver misses, his double crosses, or his distance control with the short irons.

TBH, I haven't looked at a good slow-mo video of his swing well enough to give you an answer.

[colin007]

10 hours ago, iacas said:

TBH, I haven't looked at a good slow-mo video of his swing well enough to give you an answer.

Gotcha.

I think for me, the double crosses are so weird...trying to hit a big cut and then nukes it dead left? I'm pretty sure I can slice any club in the bag more than 100% of the time.

[iacas]

1 minute ago, colin007 said:

Gotcha.

I think for me, the double crosses are so weird...trying to hit a big cut and then nukes it dead left? I'm pretty sure I can slice any club in the bag more than 100% of the time.

That’s what he did at Torrey in 2008. Slices every time. Big curves.