Rushing Because of Faster Players Behind

[ccotenj]

[QUOTE name="David in FL" url="/t/83251/rushing-because-of-faster-players-behind/270_30#post_1180019"] You're welcome in our group any time! :-) As a 2 or 3-some, if a single asks to join us, I'll always tell them that they're absolutely welcome, but be aware, if the course conditions allow it, our target pace is sub-3 hours. Preferably way sub.... [/QUOTE] I'm not at all for slow play, but this I'll never understand.  How do you even have time to enjoy yourself in that amount of time? That sounds to me like you guys would effectively just be playing polo adjacent to each other for 150-160 (or whatever) minutes.

+1... it isn't a race... tbh, i think i'd enjoy a "way sub 3 hour" round about as much as i'd enjoy a 5+ hour round... which isn't very much...

[Golfingdad]

Actually, he finished an 80 round in 112 minutes.

No, that was @Dave2512 ... playing in a cart as a single.  That I get.  I've played nine holes in a cart by myself unimpeded once before and it took 1:15 on a difficult and unfamiliar course.

But I was responding to @David in FL who says that even as a threesome or foursome, they play with the goal of finishing in "way sub 3 hours."

Again, I fully understand keeping pace and playing swiftly, but that pace is unfathwer, unfarthewre, unfthrer ... it's without fathom to me because I'd never have any time to enjoy myself.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Lihu

Actually, he finished an 80 round in 112 minutes.

No, that was @Dave2512 ... playing in a cart as a single.  That I get.  I've played nine holes in a cart by myself unimpeded once before and it took 1:15 on a difficult and unfamiliar course.

But I was responding to @David in FL who says that even as a threesome or foursome, they play with the goal of finishing in "way sub 3 hours."

Again, I fully understand keeping pace and playing swiftly, but that pace is unfathwer, unfarthewre, unfthrer ... it's without fathom to me because I'd never have any time to enjoy myself.

Yeah, when I play a round in a fast foursome, not a lot of chatting happens and the golfers look pretty serious. View? What view?

[Dave2512]

It's really all about how fast you can move on an open course. I can see how some ahead of fast golfers could get the impression fast people behind are jamming the pace if they are really quick. With no waiting I am sub 5 minutes a hole if I don't get out of position.

For me it's a timing thing. I play at courses that know me because often I am there late in the day after work. When you show up at 6PM and say you want to play 18 and they know sunset is 8:08 (that's what it is today) they aren't crazy about it, unless they know you won't be the last golfer on the course. Which is the case with me I will finish before the 4somes out there that started at 4PM if I can get around them. I'm not there to push people as much as finish and there are always a bunch of late people just playing 9 and they don't play with any urgency because they have 2+ hours to do it.

I can also see how some might think what I do is hitting into them. Sometimes it takes me a few holes to get around a group. Goes something like this. I get to 6 tee and you are on 6 green. I hit a decent drive and get to my ball before everyone holes out. I start waiting right then and because I hit it somewhat far my ball is going to be 8i-54 range from the green so they will know I am there. They manage to get off 7 tee right as I am finishing but won't reach their balls before I am standing on the tee. When they are out of range I am going to hit and again chances are before they can mark and start reading putts I am at my ball again. On a short par 4 say sub 400 I will likely be wedge shot close and some may think that is pushing them and too close for comfort. I won't blast away the minute your foot is on the fringe but unless there is legit concern an errant shot could get to them I will play my shot when it's safe. Eventually the gap will decrease until I am standing right next to them on a tee.

But when there is nobody ahead of them no reason I should have to lag behind them. It won't take but a minute to let me through and I will be out of site soon enough. I'd be happy to join a group and often do but often it's the typical late golfers, noobs, couples, guys with kids etc. I am not a good partner for people like that. It's more frustrating for them than me if I am standing there watching them whack it around and there is a two hole gap between us and the next group ahead.

Damn that's a freaking novel, sorry.

[David in FL]

I'm not at all for slow play, but this I'll never understand.  How do you even have time to enjoy yourself in that amount of time? That sounds to me like you guys would effectively just be playing polo adjacent to each other for 150-160 (or whatever) minutes.

Not at all. I know that for some it's hard to believe, but we don't rush and we enjoy our round. We just move with purpose and don't dilly dally. As an example, 2 people on opposite sides of the fairway aren't afraid to be playing simultaneously. If thw next shot is open, someone is always swinging a club....

[Dave2512]

How much I enjoy golf is directly proportional to how well I score. Excessive waiting tends to drag me down. I get distracted if I have to watch others golfing ahead if they aren't efficient in how they move through the course. They could be on pace and it would still be annoying if what they are doing is unnecessary. 12-14 minutes a hole is long time for me. Even in a foursome that's a lot of fidgeting.

[Duff McGee]

I'm a single in a cart playing behind 3 slow walkers and this dude is throwing down another ball after he putts out to practice

[Lihu]

I'm a single in a cart playing behind 3 slow walkers and this dude is throwing down another ball after he putts out to practice

They're playing for money. . .

[Hatchman]

I'm a single in a cart playing behind 3 slow walkers and this dude is throwing down another ball after he putts out to practice

What. That's when I no longer sit in the cart if you are and practice swing. Some think the golfer behind doesn't mind. I remain courteous and sit in the cart until they complete or stand and look the other way.

[Dave2512]

I'd never hit a practice putt if someone was waiting behind me. But that's nothing compared to most. I could hit a dozen practice putts in the time it takes some to hole out, remember where they laid their wedge, clear the green, air count strokes, put the clubs away, after using the cart washer of course, write down the score and toss their heads back in laughter after a comment before driving away.

When we play we hit jump in the cart and put away clubs when we get to the next shot. If there is a group ahead I've hit the target with a laser and I am standing behind the ball rehearsing my shot while they finish. As soon as they clear the safety zone the ball is in the air. I swear I am out of my cart and walking to the green to mark before some people have started moving their carts to the next tee. I will have half read my putt just being familiar with the course and I am not going to take excessive time with a lag putt unless it's super tricky.

No reason to dally out there. Sometimes I have a older friend that just rides the back so he can get out and enjoy the surroundings. He often tells me to put the brakes on if I get too speedy. His vodka tonic will still have ice in it by the time we get to 18.

[Perfect Slicer]

I'm not at all for slow play, but this I'll never understand.  How do you even have time to enjoy yourself in that amount of time?

That sounds to me like you guys would effectively just be playing polo adjacent to each other for 150-160 (or whatever) minutes.

Personally, I enjoy myself on the golf course by hitting the golf ball. That's really what I am there for. The time it takes to get from one shot to the next is wasted time. When I want to enjoy the scenery, I go hiking.

Of course, if I'm playing an expensive round at a beautiful course, I take time to enjoy my surroundings, but it's still not a nature hike. When I play my 'home' course that I've played countless times, I'm focused on hitting the little white pill.

[Fourputt]

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Originally Posted by CR McDivot

If not, I suggest you belly up and join a private club where you don't have to deal with us commoners.

You really have to stop right fighting by ending your post with a jab. Doesn't bolster your argument.

Really!!!  Talk about rumpled feathers.

Yesterday I played 9 holes, solo, mostly working out distances for my new irons.  I still played golf, kept score, and on 3 holes I played a second ball just to hit from different distances.  I was done in 65 minutes.  No rush, just hit, drove to the the ball and hit again.  I didn't come close to the 40 that Dave2512 was shooting, so it took me a few minutes longer to make a dozen more strokes.  Had I been behind Mr. McDivot, he'd have probably been cursing me as a "speed golfer", when nothing could have been further from the truth - even my cart was in no hurry to get finished.

Most of the time playing as a foursome, we finish in around 4 hours, barring any back up, which is rare out here in the hinterlands.  If someone comes up behind us, we let them play through if necessary, but half the time they just never quite catch us.  Either they slow up deliberately, or they skip to another hole (there are several places where you can skip one or more holes with a 50 foot walk).  We don't call them speed golfers just because they happen to play faster than us.

[Duff McGee]

And then when I got on the back I saw some dude in the fairway behind me and I thought he was from another fairway. Nope. Dude is actually speeding to hit ball and as soon as he gets there he whacks it again, no looking or practice swings and then speed walks back to his cart. He is the Asian Charles Barkley with his swing but dude is actually what might be considered a "speed golfer." Guess what I did? Just guess....

[Golfingdad]

And then when I got on the back I saw some dude in the fairway behind me and I thought he was from another fairway. Nope. Dude is actually speeding to hit ball and as soon as he gets there he whacks it again, no looking or practice swings and then speed walks back to his cart. He is the Asian Charles Barkley with his swing but dude is actually what might be considered a "speed golfer." Guess what I did? Just guess....

Did you put on a pirate hat and start humming the tune to "Yo Ho Ho and a Bottle of Rum?"

[Hatchman]

You sent him a message wrapped in a white round cylinder?

[Golfingdad]

Called your mother just to tell her you loved her?

[Hatchman]

You said KMA

[Dave2512]

Had I been behind Mr. McDivot, he'd have probably been cursing me as a "speed golfer", when nothing could have been further from the truth - even my cart was in no hurry to get finished.

If you played Riverview I can confirm this . Haven't been there yet this year but if it's the same carts those are jalopies.