Incident on the green

[Elmer]

I already said I shouldn't have thrown his ball, but the guy never apologized and never saw anything wrong with what he did (and neither does @Elmer apparently).  I find that shocking, much more so than having to recover a ball in plain view a few yards away... Chastise me all for that, that's ok, I'll survive.  I might not have survived the hit to the head if the shot had been a little bit shorter hit and a little bit to the player's right. So, let's keep things in perspective, shall we?

" My playing partners are heading to their cart, which is completely on a cart loop, right of the green and behind a large tree, while I am still at the bottom of the elevated green , just about to walk down the slope in front of the green .  A ball comes flying past me, to my right (i.e. left side of the green) and lands maybe 10 yds from where I am standing. I walk back towards the ball and throw it over the green in full sight of the guy who hit into me: showing him where it went, and that I am not the least pleased about the whole thing!  He hit into me, seeing me right there."

Maybe he did not apologize because you picked up and blatantly threw his ball before he had a chance to say anything.

Anyway based on the facts you provided-

Maybe he did not see you because of the tree. Maybe he only saw your partners exiting the side of the green.

But who knows Maybe he is just a Richard.

But I still stand by my 2 points-

1-you could have exited off the side of the green and walked around the green (if you had he would have hit an empty green). Instead you walked down the green. Get off the green!!!!

2- 5 yards over and 5 yards to the right is not close. I know people who have had bullets zip by closer than that!

If you hit a ball  5 yards over and 5 yards to the right of the hole did you  get a hole in 1? No!!!! Almost hole in 1? NO!!!!

But that is my opinion. and you have yours!

Elmer's response was kind of strange based upon previous posts about following rules etc. IDK for sure, but I'm sure Rkim meant not to hit.

That was pretty stupid for someone to hit a ball 200 yards out. I might hit a 5i in the hopes if could roll a long ways, but never would I hit a 3H or 3W from that distance.

I am all for following the rules and etiquette, but 3 wrongs dont make a right in this situation.

[rkim291968]

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Originally Posted by Lihu

Sure, I think he meant what you mean, that's it's too tight. This is based upon his other posts where he was against hitting the ball unless it was obviously clear. . .

Perhaps, but he said the exact opposite: He said that 10 yards is more than the margin of error, meaning that the margin of error of (nearly) all amateurs golfers is less than 10 yards, so 10 yards is safe and is a "give him a look" event.  No, 10 yards is well within the margin of error of even the best professionals from 200 yards.  From 175-200 yds, those guys are using anything from an 8 to a 5 iron (and still miss by 10 yds)  This guy hit a 5 wood: his margin of error with it is probably 50 yards, not less than 10.   I was in full view on the green and therefore I was hit into.  Simple.

I already said I shouldn't have thrown his ball, but the guy never apologized and never saw anything wrong with what he did (and neither does @Elmer apparently).  I find that shocking, much more so than having to recover a ball in plain view a few yards away... Chastise me all for that, that's ok, I'll survive.  I might not have survived the hit to the head if the shot had been a little bit shorter hit and a little bit to the player's right. So, let's keep things in perspective, shall we?

If you read my entire post, you realize that I meant 10 yard is too close for comfort.   I.e, don't take the chance of landing your ball if your shot is going to fall within 10 yards of someone in front.   My solid PW shot goes 115 but it has gone as far as 135 carry.   I will hit my PW if the front group is at least 150 out.  If someone lands a ball 10 yards behind me, next time, he can hit my head.   But I am more than willing to reason (up to twice) with the person to wait a few more seconds.   If he does it for the 3rd time, I will call a marshal or confront the %#%$%head.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Lihu

Elmer's response was kind of strange based upon previous posts about following rules etc. IDK for sure, but I'm sure Rkim meant not to hit.

I am all for following the rules and etiquette, but 3 wrongs don't make a right in this situation.

Right, no matter how long you need to wait, you still need to wait that extra 10 seconds.

[sjduffers]

But I still stand by my 2 points-

1-you could have exited off the side of the green and walked around the green (if you had he would have hit an empty green). Instead you walked down the green. Get off the green!!!!

2- 5 yards over and 5 yards to the right is not close. I know people who have had bullets zip by closer than that!

If you hit a ball  5 yards over and 5 yards to the right of the hole did you  get a hole in 1? No!!!! Almost hole in 1? NO!!!!

1. The closer I am to the spot X on the mark (either walking down the cart path from C or walking the straight line in front of the tree from O), the more I am in range to whoever is firing his approach. You even said that the bag at spot X could impede the player's game: then, until I (or anyone, even people riding in carts) am beyond the Y of the cart path, you shouldn't hit, you have to wait.  If you don't, you are the problem, not me taking the shortest time possible to get there.  I am getting off the green. Now, you get off your stupid quest to save 20 seconds on the last hole, when the hole is designed like that.

2. Of course, it's not close to a hole in one, there is no comparison. But if you want to bring that topic in, what are the odds of a hole in one? 1 in 12500 across all amateurs , and 1 in 2500 for professionals.  Since I make a larger target than the size of a hole, my odds of being hit are probably much better than that, and guess what? I don't play golf to have a 1 in 12500 chances of getting hit , or worse.  These are pretty good odds, particularly when you factor a remote chance of death in that. If you want to be a daredevil, go ahead and streak across a driving range: most balls will not hit you or even come close to 10 yards from you. Go ahead, do it!  The logic you applied here is just... well, let me just say that it leaves me speechless, and that if you are ever in a group behind me, I do need the helmet and the kevlar vest I mentioned before. Wow!

[rkim291968]

2. Of course, it's not close to a hole in one, there is no comparison. But if you want to bring that topic in, what are the odds of a hole in one? 1 in 12500 across all amateurs , and 1 in 2500 for professionals.  Since I make a larger target than the size of a hole, my odds of being hit are probably much better than that, and guess what? I don't play golf to have a 1 in 12500 chances of getting hit, or worse.

Getting hit can happen to anyone, anytime.   Between my wife and I, we got hit at least 4 times in 6 years (800 rounds?).   One hit left a welt on my wife's thigh for weeks.   Another one (my wife's 3 wood shot) knocked me down to my knees.  Two other hits didn't hurt so much so I will not list the details here.

[Fourputt]

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Originally Posted by sjduffers

2. Of course, it's not close to a hole in one, there is no comparison. But if you want to bring that topic in, what are the odds of a hole in one? 1 in 12500 across all amateurs , and 1 in 2500 for professionals.  Since I make a larger target than the size of a hole, my odds of being hit are probably much better than that, and guess what? I don't play golf to have a 1 in 12500 chances of getting hit, or worse.

Getting hit can happen to anyone, anytime.   Between my wife and I, we got hit at least 4 times in 6 years (800 rounds?).   One hit left a welt on my wife's thigh for weeks.   Another one (my wife's 3 wood shot) knocked me down to my knees.  Two other hits didn't hurt so much so I will not list the details here.

4 times in 6 years?  Iv'e been playing 40 years and never been hit.  I've have my cart hit, and Iv'e had balls come near, but never hit.

[rkim291968]

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Originally Posted by rkim291968

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Originally Posted by sjduffers

2. Of course, it's not close to a hole in one, there is no comparison. But if you want to bring that topic in, what are the odds of a hole in one? 1 in 12500 across all amateurs , and 1 in 2500 for professionals.  Since I make a larger target than the size of a hole, my odds of being hit are probably much better than that, and guess what? I don't play golf to have a 1 in 12500 chances of getting hit, or worse.

Getting hit can happen to anyone, anytime.   Between my wife and I, we got hit at least 4 times in 6 years (800 rounds?).   One hit left a welt on my wife's thigh for weeks.   Another one (my wife's 3 wood shot) knocked me down to my knees.  Two other hits didn't hurt so much so I will not list the details here.

4 times in 6 years?  Iv'e been playing 40 years and never been hit.  I've have my cart hit, and Iv'e had balls come near, but never hit.

Consider yourself lucky (or we are unlucky?).    We take extra caution when we play.  Too many folks out there hitting away without knowing their club distance, hitting intentionally into front group to send a message, being arrogant - too accurate (?) to miss green or hit front group, not aware of where the front group is, etc..

[DrvFrShow]

I was hit twice in my last round in my former club. Not even a "fore". The first time I'll forgive as a bad shot. The second time I was getting my cart to go to the next tee, it landed about six feet away and bounced and hit my golf bag then me. Again, not even a "fore". So what does one do in a competition? I picked up her ball and moved on. The first offense I'll forgive. The second? Nope.

[Lancer78]

This is the problem with "fast play"  People gripe about slow play, but want people plenty of time to get out of the way.  Slow golf is safe golf.

[saevel25]

This is the problem with "fast play"  People gripe about slow play, but want people plenty of time to get out of the way.  Slow golf is safe golf.

That is incorrect.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Lancer78

This is the problem with "fast play"  People gripe about slow play, but want people plenty of time to get out of the way.  Slow golf is safe golf.

That is incorrect.

And safe golf does not have to be slow golf. . .

[sjduffers]

Getting hit can happen to anyone, anytime.   Between my wife and I, we got hit at least 4 times in 6 years (800 rounds?).   One hit left a welt on my wife's thigh for weeks.   Another one (my wife's 3 wood shot) knocked me down to my knees.  Two other hits didn't hurt so much so I will not list the details here.

Let me rephrase that statistic: 1 in 12500 chances is to get the ball into that 4.5 inch hole, nearly the same size as "in between the eyes" or "in the temple", where getting hit can get you killed. That's way too high a chance to take, so when someone is on the green, don't hit, period.  I know you didn't advocate hitting and find 10 yards a bit too close, but my point stands that from 200 yards out, even the best players in the world, using a much shorter (and much more precise) club than the rest of us, can't reliably hit within 10 yards.

In the 15 years or so that I have been playing, i have only been hit a couple of times, both times with the ball hitting the ground first, so no real damage.  The last time was just a couple months ago, while putting on a green well to the right of an adjacent hole (I was standing nearly 80 yards to the right of the middle of the fairway the guy was playing, measured on Google Earth). The guy had no clue and didn't yell fore either, but the ball landed just a few yards behind me and hit me in my lower back on the rebound: I would have really hated to have left myself a putt that was another 15 feet longer than this one was...  In those same years, I inadvertently did hit one poor guy, sitting in his cart, at the base of the neck. He was not too far from the next tee box (maybe 15 yards or so from the ideal parking spot, but well to the side of my line), and I hit a really bad low flying snap hook with a 5 wood, maybe 190 from the green, and roughly 130-140 yards from him. I yelled fore several times, very loudly, but the group still couldn't hear it apparently (maybe due to the wind direction?).  He was a Vietnam vet and joked that this was nothing and that he had been shot at in worse ways before and when I offered him the Advil pills I had with me to alleviate the pain, he said that this was not nearly as powerful as the stuff he was on and insisted that he was ok and accepted my profuse apologies. He's a tough guy, no doubt, and has all my respect, but the thought of hitting him within 1 foot of this temple still haunts me, and had me shaken the rest of my round and finished it fairly poorly.

It's one thing to hit into someone accidentally, but in my opinion (and many others here, thankfully), it is completely incomprehensible to hit into someone voluntarily. To me, it borders on assault with a deadly weapon, and no, a 10 yards buffer is not enough. I am not talking about rolling up a ball either, but about where the balls lands on the fly.

[David in FL]

Getting hit can happen to anyone, anytime.   Between my wife and I, we got hit at least 4 times in 6 years (800 rounds?).   One hit left a welt on my wife's thigh for weeks. Another one (my wife's 3 wood shot) knocked me down to my knees. Two other hits didn't hurt so much so I will not list the details here.

So, how did your wife hit you? That's a story I have to hear!

[LagShaft]

Wow, I could probably hit someone on my own tee box with a bad slice, but truthfully if you don't have time to play golf then don't play... If someone ahead of you is playing slow and with complete disregard for you then have words or call the Marshall. I am not a good golfer and have over hit after chunking all day into a group so I error on the side of caution. I've also played with a scratch golfer who who was on the roster for a big school. When a group was playing slow ahead of us he said that he was going to cram a titleist up there ass and on that same hole he almost hit them on the next teebox with an approach shot. My Words were I didn't think you were going to do it on that shot...We all make mistakes. Throwing a ball is a lot better than hitting it back at them(which I've also seen) and for pete's lighten up.

[rkim291968]

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Originally Posted by rkim291968

Getting hit can happen to anyone, anytime.   Between my wife and I, we got hit at least 4 times in 6 years (800 rounds?).   One hit left a welt on my wife's thigh for weeks.   Another one (my wife's 3 wood shot) knocked me down to my knees.  Two other hits didn't hurt so much so I will not list the details here.

So, how did your wife hit you? That's a story I have to hear!

We used to walk at our previous home course.  To keep up with cart riders, we developed a habit of walking ahead while the other is getting ready to hit.  I hit my  approach shot, and walk about 30 yards to her front right while she is going through her pre-shot routine.   My wife doesn't hit long but she is very accurate.  Her FIR is 93% (misses 1 out of 14 drives on average).  So, I am standing there thinking I am safe. I am not on her shot path.  Next thing I know, she hits a 3w line drive to my way.   It bounces once and hits my kidney area and I drop to my knee.

Moral of the story related to this post ... anyone can miss right, left, short, or LONG.   Don't take unnecessary risk although the egg was on me on this one.

Moral of the story II - if you have been married over 25 years to the same woman, don't give her an opportunity to legally assault you.  Not a good thing.

[Lihu]

Moral of the story II - if you have been married over 25 years to the same woman, don't give her an opportunity to legally assault you.  Not a good thing.

Did she have a little smirk on her face that she needed to quickly wipe away as she attended to your injury? ;-) Kathy Bates comes to mind thinking about this. . .

[RFKFREAK]

Getting hit can happen to anyone, anytime.   Between my wife and I, we got hit at least 4 times in 6 years (800 rounds?).   One hit left a welt on my wife's thigh for weeks.   Another one (my wife's 3 wood shot) knocked me down to my knees.  Two other hits didn't hurt so much so I will not list the details here.

This reminds me of an incident earlier this year.

I was playing on a round and one of the guys I was paired with was on the teebox going in the direction of the arrow.  I'm standing where the black circle is (admittedly not the best place to stand) and he severely hooks his tee shot and I see the ball screaming right at my head so I hit the deck and it whizzes by me.

Same day, same guy, same hole.  I don't remember the particulars but I had hit my shot and was looking for my ball where the black circle is.  The guy is where the arrow is and hits his shot long and it heads right for me again!  Thankfully I had a few more moments to react so I was able to get out of the way easily, but I found it very funny that on back to back shots, he almost hit me.

He apologized profusely on both occasions but since I didn't get hurt and nothing bad happened, I didn't think much of it and told him not to worry about it.

Moral of the story II - if you have been married over 25 years to the same woman, don't give her an opportunity to legally assault you.  Not a good thing.

[Elmer]

This reminds me of an incident earlier this year.

I was playing on a round and one of the guys I was paired with was on the teebox going in the direction of the arrow.  I'm standing where the black circle is (admittedly not the best place to stand) and he severely hooks his tee shot and I see the ball screaming right at my head so I hit the deck and it whizzes by me.

Same day, same guy, same hole.  I don't remember the particulars but I had hit my shot and was looking for my ball where the black circle is.  The guy is where the arrow is and hits his shot long and it heads right for me again!  Thankfully I had a few more moments to react so I was able to get out of the way easily, but I found it very funny that on back to back shots, he almost hit me.

He apologized profusely on both occasions but since I didn't get hurt and nothing bad happened, I didn't think much of it and told him not to worry about it.

That is a drivable green. I have seen others shoot at the green while people are on it!

Of course no one exits the green by walking back into the fairway!