Conservatives on this site?

[saevel25]

I am mixed on Carson. His politicfact record is not strong and gets caught in making statements just so he just doesn't seem incompetent. He's only 15% half true to true.

I do not like Fiorina at all. 

The only candidate I like is kasich.

 

[Elmer]

 I hate how they've gone from a party that was proud of knowing more than everyone else to embracing a culture of Bible-thumping anti-intellectualism and anti-science. 

And this is why I no longer associate with Republicans. I am still registered as a republican, but I have a hard time voting with them, when they shun my gay friends, refuse to acknowledge science and consider me to have murdered their false prophet!

 

Per the gay comment, that is not my business what anyone is.  However, for people of Faith, including myself, on the day of judgement, we will be held accountable for our actions and the Bible very specifically states and opinion.  So, go on now and attack my religious views.  I don't understand how you or anyone else can call abortion anything other than murder.  It is the murder of the defenseless.  Liberals call it a choice.  If they are Christians, they had better hope that in the Day of Judgement, Christ agrees.  Per welfare, I doubt you understand the system at all.  Few, if any, of these people in the neighborhood I grew up in lack a smart phone, cigs, their booze, cable TV, and they laugh all the way to the bank on the backs of the working people.  I grew up in.  I know the system and how it is gamed.  Still, you can go ahead and call me an uncaring ___hole because you know so much. 

Hey, Mr. Desmond, thanks for giving me permission, no ordering me, to take my thoughts to another thread.  How nice of you to do so. 

Per my extreme views, I'd say I'm rather moderate.  Then, again, I'd have to weigh that in degrees with my family.  Mr. Desmond, you'd have a blast if you met them.  LOL  One is even infamous or famous with books written about him.  Then again, I'm thinking you wouldn't do so well.  Hey, take care,

Darrell

ps. I've already written your response.  LOL and am waiting to see it.  It is so typical of those so much smarter than others.  Now if you'll only refer to Alinsky, ...

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall bejudged:"

When judgment day comes I am pretty sure we are all going to hell. Human beings have shown themselves to be a rather loathsome and petty to each other.
When judgement day comes do you think who ever is judging us or you for that matter, will care more about abortion or the fact that we systematically killed people over whose God was better?
I think we will be judged on the fact that we let children starve and people die over oil and borders.

Then again, the bible was written by men, men with an agenda!
And your bible came long after mine!
 

[rehmwa]

I'm fiscally frugal and socially try to mind my own business.  I think people should have the freedom to make their own decisions, but then be responsible for those choices.  (Do what you like, don't force me to be like you, don't force me to pay for your decisions)

With two parties that appear to be driven by a desire to interfere in people's lives and push their own social biases on others, and to use my money to accomplish those aims, I'm a bit of a outcast.

I'd claim Libertarian - this is what it is originally defined as, but this term continues to be hijacked and redefined and strawmanned to death.  So I'll just stick with my first sentence.

 

I find your everyday liberal to be well intentioned, but excessively naive at best.  The stereotypical conservative to be way too churchy, but also well intentioned, but misguided.

Political leadership?  Liberals are naive, Cons are corrupt.  (Libs just do the wrong things, Cons say the right things, but do the wrong things when you aren't looking)

Overgeneralization is fun, isn't it?

[jusanothajoe]

I'm fiscally frugal and socially try to mind my own business.  I think people should have the freedom to make their own decisions, but then be responsible for those choices.  (Do what you like, don't force me to be like you, don't force me to pay for your decisions)

With two parties that appear to be driven by a desire to interfere in people's lives and push their own social biases on others, and to use my money to accomplish those aims, I'm a bit of a outcast.

I'd claim Libertarian - this is what it is originally defined as, but this term continues to be hijacked and redefined and strawmanned to death.  So I'll just stick with my first sentence.

 

I find your everyday liberal to be well intentioned, but excessively naive at best.  The stereotypical conservative to be way too churchy, but also well intentioned, but misguided.

Political leadership?  Liberals are naive, Cons are corrupt.  (Libs just do the wrong things, Cons say the right things, but do the wrong things when you aren't looking)

Overgeneralization is fun, isn't it?

This sums it up better than I have ever heard

[9wood]

Welcome from another conservative. Lots and lots of liberals here, and they don't like you using the "L" word

Yeah, liberals now like to call themselves progressives. But their policies and agenda basically lines up with a Marxist Communist ideology

 

Edited October 28, 2015 by 9wood

[Gator Hazard]

OT but figure this thread is as good as any:  A few weeks ago we went to a fall festival out at a farm and in the parking lot was a big ol truck with a bumper sticker in the back window that said "If you don't respect this flag then you can leave" and it was a confederate battle flag.  I thought that was hilarious.  Leave what?  The back of your racist, redneck, inbred mobile?  

Sorry, I am applying the "just post it" philosophy.  :P

[Elmer]

Yeah, liberals now like to call themselves progressives. But their policies and agenda basically lines up with a Marxist Communist ideology

 

You sure it is not:

Marxism–Leninism or Stalinism or Trotskyism or Maoism or Eurocommunism or Council communism. Maybe liberals are more closer to Christian communism or simply Christian Socialists!!!!!

Just saying the words "Marxist Communist ideology" does not make it so, no matter how many times you try to apply the term!

OT but figure this thread is as good as any:  A few weeks ago we went to a fall festival out at a farm and in the parking lot was a big ol truck with a bumper sticker in the back window that said "If you don't respect this flag then you can leave" and it was a confederate battle flag.  I thought that was hilarious.  Leave what?  The back of your racist, redneck, inbred mobile?  

Sorry, I am applying the "just post it" philosophy.  :P

I think they tried to leave and the union beat them down and crushed their idea of a confederate Govt!

[rkim291968]

After reading the Trump thread, it is apparent that there are a lot of liberals on board.  Who among you are brave enough to say you are a Conservative.

 

Outside of Trump thread, I believe there are more conservatives in this forum than liberals.  After all, this is a golf forum where average age tend to be older. ( Yup, I just made a generalization that as people get older, they tend become more conservative. )

 

I am a moderate with no affiliation to either party.  But recent internet quiz categorized me as a Sander's camp.  What?  Sanders?   Was I conning myself all these years, thinking I am a moderate?    

BTW, my humble opinion on media which I only watch these days for amusement between golf programs:

• Fox - ultra conservative, anti-CNBC
• CNBC - very liberal, anti-Fox
• CNN - used to be more neutral, now just another reality show channel. 

 

 

 

 

OT but figure this thread is as good as any:  A few weeks ago we went to a fall festival out at a farm and in the parking lot was a big ol truck with a bumper sticker in the back window that said "If you don't respect this flag then you can leave" and it was a confederate battle flag.  I thought that was hilarious.  Leave what?  The back of your racist, redneck, inbred mobile?  

Sorry, I am applying the "just post it" philosophy.  :P

Maybe not an OT.   I think the line between being conservative and racist is a thin one for many in certain part of the US.  

[Gator Hazard]

 

Outside of Trump thread, I believe there are more conservatives in this forum than liberals.  After all, this is a golf forum where average age tend to be older. ( Yup, I just made a generalization that as people get older, they tend become more conservative. )

 

I am a moderate with no affiliation to either party.  But recent internet quiz categorized me as a Sander's camp.  What?  Sanders?   Was I conning myself all these years, thinking I am a moderate?    

BTW, my humble opinion on media which I only watch these days for amusement between golf programs:

• Fox - ultra conservative, anti-CNBC
• CNBC - very liberal, anti-Fox
• CNN - used to be more neutral, now just another reality show channel. 

 

 

 

 

I don't know, was wondering what the mix is on this thread.  I would say we probably have a good amount of democrats, some liberals, a good amount of republicans, some conservatives and probably a lot of ex republicans who are more independent.  I fit the last category, not a republican or democrat, I vote for who I believe the best candidate will be.  I really like candidates who if they are part of their party at least have the balls to stand up to their party and do and say what they think is right, party politics be damned.

I think most of us are familiar with the quote often attributed to  Winston Churchill (he may not have said it, there is some history that a number of derivatives of this date back to the 1800s) but for those who may not it goes like this:  

"If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head."

Francois Guisot (1787-1874) is said to be the originator: "Not to be a
republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is
proof of want of head." 

Edited October 28, 2015 by Gator Hazard

[9wood]

You sure it is not:

Christian communism

yeah, I'm sure. Christian Communism is an oxymoron

[Elmer]

yeah, I'm sure. Christian Communism is an oxymoron

It is a thing....

 Christian communism is a form of religious communism based on Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ compel Christians to support communism as the ideal social system.

 

Now here is a good conservative, 
Missing 43% of the votes and getting paid for doing a job he is not doing!
But conservatives still back him!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/28/politics/marco-rubio-newspaper-resignation/index.html

 

[turtleback]

yeah, I'm sure. Christian Communism is an oxymoron

Spoken like someone who has never read, or who has forgotten about, the 4th chapter of Acts.  That is the one in which the early believers held all their possessions in common. (Acts 4:32-4:35).  The King James version even has the very words: "And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.".  Sounds like old Comrade Marx was plagiarizing the Bible. 

Ironically there are people who use these verses to argue that Christianity favors communism.  There are only 2 problems with this theory:

1) God never told them to do it - common theme in Acts.  The Apostles go off on their own and then God corrects things.  Without instructions from God THEY pick a 12th apostle by lot (Matthias - who immediately disappears from the record of the early church).  God, OTOH, says, "Nah, I'll take this persecutor named Saul, change his heart (and his name, to Paul), and make him the 12th apostle and the greatest evangelist in history.

2) Which is a good thing, because the results of the communistic experiment in Jerusalem was that the Jerusalem church was economically devastated to the point that the very same Paul had to do fund-raising among the other churches (there is no record of them having followed the foolish example of the Jerusalem church - nor that the communist approach was used by any other early church - nor that the communistic approach ever was used or accepted beyond the disastrous Jerusalem experiment) to provide succor for the Jerusalem church. (Romans 15, 2 Cor 8)

As to politics?  I am a "pox on both your houses" conservative.  

[jusanothajoe]

All conservatives are not republican. I am an American that happens to be conservative. But I doubt I will see a Demo in my lifetime I would vote for. Out if all the Republican nominees for President, the worst one would be better than any Demo nominee ( to me)

 

[rkim291968]

Reps are not necessarily conservatives and vice versa but the perception these days are Reps = Conservatives.   Likewise, Liberals are not necessarily Dems and vice versa but the perception of those two terms are merging.   This is not a good trend, IMO.

 

[CoachB25]

Gator Hazard, so in other words, if Republicans or Conservatives will give up those traits that make them Republicans then ...

Per the abortion issue, and I guess the difference between a liberal and a conservative, murder of those babies is murder.  So, because you want it legal, murder of the innocent and unborn is ok. 

Per "apology", what?  I guess Liberals don't need one for the indiscretions of its party.  Lie to the American people with regards to Benghazi, Obamacare, the IRS, ... and Liberals say, "nothing here."  No problem with the Democratic Party endorsing the "Black Lives Matter Movement" who in separate events far apart called for the murder of Police Officers.  BTW, I guess my life doesn't matter.  What about the attack/arrest on the county clerk in Kentucky for not enforcing Federal Law wrt Gay Marriage and the outrage when there is no outrage from the Left for Kate Steinle's death and Sanctuary Cities who violate Federal Law.  Yeah, no indiscretions.  LOL  

What I don't understand about the Republican Party is that they are so disjointed.  Where is the plan?  Where is the Platform?  Where has the Republican Party come out and made a stand on its principles and posted them for all to see?   

[mcanadiens]

I am mixed on Carson. His politicfact record is not strong and gets caught in making statements just so he just doesn't seem incompetent. He's only 15% half true to true.

I do not like Fiorina at all. 

The only candidate I like is kasich.

 

Our guv could be interesting tonight. After months of not much, he lashed out at his fellow candidates a bit yesterday. 

Edited October 28, 2015 by mcanadiens

[Gator Hazard]

Gator Hazard, so in other words, if Republicans or Conservatives will give up those traits that make them Republicans then ...

Per the abortion issue, and I guess the difference between a liberal and a conservative, murder of those babies is murder.  So, because you want it legal, murder of the innocent and unborn is ok. 

Per "apology", what?  I guess Liberals don't need one for the indiscretions of its party.  Lie to the American people with regards to Benghazi, Obamacare, the IRS, ... and Liberals say, "nothing here."  No problem with the Democratic Party endorsing the "Black Lives Matter Movement" who in separate events far apart called for the murder of Police Officers.  BTW, I guess my life doesn't matter.  What about the attack/arrest on the county clerk in Kentucky for not enforcing Federal Law wrt Gay Marriage and the outrage when there is no outrage from the Left for Kate Steinle's death and Sanctuary Cities who violate Federal Law.  Yeah, no indiscretions.  LOL  

What I don't understand about the Republican Party is that they are so disjointed.  Where is the plan?  Where is the Platform?  Where has the Republican Party come out and made a stand on its principles and posted them for all to see?   

Those are traits that make them religious conservatives, NOT republican.  Republican is a derivative of the word republic: "A republic (from Latin: res publica) is a form of government or country^[1] in which power resides in elected individuals representing the citizen body^[2][3] and government leaders exercise power according to the rule of law. In modern times, the definition of a republic is commonly limited to a government which excludes a monarch."

Republican: "  (of a form of government, constitution, etc.) belonging to, or characteristic of a republic or advocating or supporting republican government."

Nowhere is Christianity or christian beliefs mentioned in the definition.  I am sorry, but you are confusing conservative christian republicans with republican.

In general in America even at the founding of our nation we had republicans and democrats.  They both wanted to be free of tyranny and taxation without representation.  They both wanted a government that would be independent of the church.   

[rkim291968]

Per the abortion issue, and I guess the difference between a liberal and a conservative, murder of those babies is murder.  So, because you want it legal, murder of the innocent and unborn is ok. 

Per "apology", what?  I guess Liberals don't need one for the indiscretions of its party.  Lie to the American people with regards to Benghazi, Obamacare, the IRS, ... and Liberals say, "nothing here."  No problem with the Democratic Party endorsing the "Black Lives Matter Movement" who in separate events far apart called for the murder of Police Officers.  BTW, I guess my life doesn't matter.  What about the attack/arrest on the county clerk in Kentucky for not enforcing Federal Law wrt Gay Marriage and the outrage when there is no outrage from the Left for Kate Steinle's death and Sanctuary Cities who violate Federal Law.  Yeah, no indiscretions.  LOL  

 

Over simplification of complex issues, exaggerating, and ignoring the other side's view points on the same complex issues are what is wrong with a post like the above.   It takes away credibility from people who are trying to make valid arguments for conservative ideas/beliefs.