Politics - Where Do you Stand?

[imsys0042]

2 for me.   But that is pretty much under my assumption that the Democrats have staked out something closer to the center, with a very far-left wing of the party that is vocal; whereas the Republicans have moved very farther away from the center and are further to the right than they ever have been.   At least to my eyes.

 

[RFKFREAK]

22 hours ago, billchao said:

Oh no, not me. I'm basically a socialist. I guess that puts me at 0 in terms of this poll.

I didn't take the poll either but I'm willing to bet that I'd be at 0 or in the negatives. 

[Valleygolfer]

Honest I hate both sides so much I couldn't vote...

 

[rkim291968]

I think I can guess where people are from their posts in the Grill Room forums. 

27 minutes ago, imsys0042 said:

But that is pretty much under my assumption that the Democrats have staked out something closer to the center, with a very far-left wing of the party that is vocal; whereas the Republicans have moved very farther away from the center and are further to the right than they ever have been.   At least to my eyes.

 

I blamed the Tea Party for the trend.   They should secede from the GOP and form their own party.  They are so off the center that they are fatally hurting the GOP anyway.

[acerimusdux]

8 minutes ago, RFKFREAK said:

I didn't take the poll either but I'm willing to bet that I'd be at 0 or in the negatives. 

I think you would if you go by the party platform positions. But I think the views of the far left really aren't even included much in the Democratic Party platform. I'm a 0 going off those platform positions, and I'm pretty firmly in the Hillary Clinton wing of the party. On left wing websites right now I'd likely be accused of being a "neoliberal", "corporadem", "Third Way triangulating DLC Democrat", etc.....

Funny seeing all the hatred of Hillary and Donald, as Hillary would be my choice in the Democratic Party right now, and I think Donald would be my preference of the Republicans.

 

[rkim291968]

19 minutes ago, acerimusdux said:

Funny seeing all the hatred of Hillary and Donald, as Hillary would be my choice in the Democratic Party right now, and I think Donald would be my preference of the Republicans.

 

Clinton vs Trump will be a match made in heaven for the people with scores less than 2 here - a landslide victory for Clinton, I'd imagine.   That brings me to this question - how would everyone here think that Trump would score on the quiz?

[RandallT]

49 minutes ago, rkim291968 said:

I think I can guess where people are from their posts in the Grill Room forums. 

I blamed the Tea Party for the trend.   They should secede from the GOP and form their own party.  They are so off the center that they are fatally hurting the GOP anyway.

I'm a 7 (possibly a 6/6.5), but I'm a huge advocate of individual freedoms and the constitutional process (which hopefully marches forward to guarantee more liberties over time: civil rights, gay marriage, etc). That makes me very socially liberal. My overall principle is that monopolies are bad- in business and in running affairs of the state. Even within companies, I've seen that once a certain group gets too big and powerful that they start to stifle things in the organization because they get arrogant. It seems to be a human foible.

If we can set up a competitive environment for most things, all the better. Left to their own devices, my life experience has taught me that if one bureaucracy is solely responsible for something, then it will inevitably decay into cronyism and lack of accountability. 

Ultimately, the federal system can help guarantee that the states are operating in ways that are in accordance with the Constitution, but I'd prefer the feds stay mostly referees, and not get into the business of being players on the field. 

[9wood]

5 hours ago, Mr. Desmond said:

1. Is that copied from a Facebook article or the RNC? I've seen it sooooo many times.

 

No, it is not copied from anything, nor have I ever been to any sites where it has been posted. What I posted was just my own thoughts from my own point of view.

[Mr. Desmond]

1 hour ago, 9wood said:

No, it is not copied from anything, nor have I ever been to any sites where it has been posted. What I posted was just my own thoughts from my own point of view.

okay... it's a coincidence that the phrase used is the same I've heard for 7 years. Onto the topic, since we must stay on topic.

I admire the effort that we are not that far from each other as a whole. Of course, we have outliers.

Just going by platforms and the writing, I am probably a 0 maybe because I think the Dems' phrasing is more aspirational. At the same time, I regard myself as fiscally somewhat conservative but pragmatic, and believe in personal accountability. I acknowledge that many people cannot afford health care at a private level, may be unemployed, and require assistance that the free market is not willing to provide. I think the capitalist system is prone to abuse (see lack of regulation), I think businesses are prone to pollute the air, water, earth, and require gentle regulation.  I do believe in science and that the Bible is a great collection of parables but not an accurate history, and people tend to misuse it. Let's introduce our common values and common sense into government and laws but let's take religion out of it. I think we ought to make people accountable to work, even volunteer work to obtain aid, I think we ought to reorganize the government, the budgetary system, and make it more efficient, have low tax rates, and pay down debt... there is more, but why bore?

[newtogolf]

Trump 2008 would score a 1, Trump 2015 would score 7+, which is why most republicans like the conversations he starts but don't trust him.

[nickyreno]

11 hours ago, Mr. Desmond said:

2. Given the choice between Trump and Hillary, Hillary all day long.

This, right here, is the issue. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing an evil. In many eyes, the 2016 election is between Hillary and Trump. It does not have to be. It would be more valuable to not vote at all than it would be to vote against another candidate. People must understand that at the end of the day, a vote for a lesser evil counts just as much as a vote from a dedicated and subscribed voter, and that of a focused lobbyist.

Build the 3rd party. In turn you will build a balanced and effective ballot, with balanced and effective policies and balanced and effective candidates.

There was a day when voters would walk behind the curtains of a voting booth politically divided. Now days we are plagued by definite and infinite political affiliations. Where voters are absolutely certain they are correct. They are 100% confident in the decision they made, there is no doubt, there is no consideration. It does not work. Make no mistake, taking guidance in the policies and ideals of Donkey VS. Elephant, you are simply casting votes for MSNBC vs. FOX News.

[9wood]

16 hours ago, Mr. Desmond said:

 I do believe . . .  that the Bible is a great collection of parables but not an accurate history

Question - Have you ever checked out the history contained in the Bible. The reason I ask is because archaeological finds continue to prove, rather than disprove the reliability and accuracy of the historical accounts in the Bible. 

[Phil McGleno]

2 hours ago, 9wood said:

Question - Have you ever checked out the history contained in the Bible. The reason I ask is because archaeological finds continue to prove, rather than disprove the reliability and accuracy of the historical accounts in the Bible. 

You should start a thread on that-I am not at all religious but I am curious about the Bible from a historical perspective. I have no doubt that some of what is in there is historically true-Even while doubting the accuracy of any God above ruling us all.

[mcanadiens]

So I read through the party statements (funny how similar some of the are) and came up with a 7 (6.5 actual). That's about what I might have guessed anyway. The problem is I don't trust the GOP to get things done any more.  So I'm feeling more cynical about the whole thing than I have in a very long time.

[GolfLug]

I came up with 4. Very heavy liberal on social issues. Center on education. Basic education should be free but college education is a commodity. Fiscally right leaning a bit. Large organization offer more hiding places for the less motivated. Smaller organization have often the best per capita productivity. I agree with  the poster who said that competition keeps things level.

[Gunther]

1 hour ago, mcanadiens said:

So I read through the party statements (funny how similar some of the are) and came up with a 7 (6.5 actual). That's about what I might have guessed anyway. The problem is I don't trust the GOP to get things done any more.  So I'm feeling more cynical about the whole thing than I have in a very long time.

My thoughts exactly, and I was a 9.  I am so disillusioned with the GOP, especially after the omnibus bill last week but it's been building to that.  There is no party with which I truly associate anymore.

[Mr. Desmond]

10 hours ago, 9wood said:

Question - Have you ever checked out the history contained in the Bible. The reason I ask is because archaeological finds continue to prove, rather than disprove the reliability and accuracy of the historical accounts in the Bible. 

Since you asked, yes. But my sources do not agree with your statement. Let's stick to our political stands.

My stand is that politicians should not use the word "schlonging." Thanks, Donald. The once proud GOP seems to have descended into a righteous hell of its own making. I think the majority of us are disgusted with the political system, and recognize that fundamental change should take place -- but it seems the mainstream politicians have not arrived at the same conclusion ... probably due to monied interests that enjoy the benefits of the status quo. I don't think the platforms of the parties go far enough to initiate change ... it's the same old arguments every four years recently.

Edited December 23, 2015 by Mr. Desmond

[boogielicious]

7 hours ago, Mr. Desmond said:

Since you asked, yes. But my sources do not agree with your statement. Let's stick to our political stands.

My stand is that politicians should not use the word "schlonging." Thanks, Donald. The once proud GOP seems to have descended into a righteous hell of its own making. I think the majority of us are disgusted with the political system, and recognize that fundamental change should take place -- but it seems the mainstream politicians have not arrived at the same conclusion ... probably due to monied interests that enjoy the benefits of the status quo. I don't think the platforms of the parties go far enough to initiate change ... it's the same old arguments every four years recently.

Still a bit off topic. Let's keep it to the subject and not let it devolve into Trump talk.