Presidential Race 2016

[Abu3baid]

2 minutes ago, StevenR84 said:

I mean, he's not real anyway so does his name matter? The rest of the post is solid and that's what you took away from it?

Yeah, it is rude and if he truly wanted people who believe in him to get the point he was trying to make he would have wrote his name correctly instead of mocking one of the great Prophets of God.  I agree with @Jeremie Boop on this one.  Let's keep this thread classy and not attack other people's beliefs.

[Elmer]

11 minutes ago, Jeremie Boop said:

"Jebus" really?

 

 

5 minutes ago, Jeremie Boop said:

Because not using the actual name detracts from the message trying to be delivered. A lot of people believe that Jesus was/is real and by using a different name than that is disrespectful. And, it's not the first time that he's used a different name when referring to someone. So, yeah, that's what I took away from it.

Yes really. It is taken from the Simpsons.
From a character who goes to Church every sunday, yet does not know the name of the guy he is praying to.
similarly as the Politicians who like to talk about their faith, yet don't know about what the guy really stood for!

@Jeremie Boop, it is not to take a dig at your belief or faith in anyway. It is not to question your beliefs or debate your beliefs, It is a symbol of the hypocrisy of those who say they believe, yet don't follow.
 

Edited April 7, 2016 by Elmer
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[StevenR84]

5 minutes ago, Jeremie Boop said:

Because not using the actual name detracts from the message trying to be delivered. A lot of people believe that Jesus was/is real and by using a different name than that is disrespectful. And, it's not the first time that he's used a different name when referring to someone. So, yeah, that's what I took away from it.

Fair enough. Since this truck a chord with you i'll assume you are a believer or participate in some organized religion. Which candidate did you cast your vote for in your states primary?

[Golfingdad]

5 minutes ago, Elmer said:

Yes really. It is taken from the Simpsons.
From a character who goes to Church every sunday, yet does not know the name of the guy he is praying to.
similarly as the Politicians who like to talk about their faith, yet don't know about what the guy really stood for!

@Jeremie Boop, it is not to take a dig at your belief or faith in anyway. It is not to question your beliefs or debate your beliefs, It is a symbol of the hypocrisy of those who say they believe, yet don't follow.
 

You might have been able to pull this off - if you explained your reference at the time (Could've been as simple as hyperlinking a youtube clip from the show to your use of the word).  As it is, though, it just comes across as impolite.  @Jeremie Boop is right that it actually hurts your message as well.

Now, back to the topic (which is not religion) 

[rkim291968]

20 minutes ago, Elmer said:

so I have said it to my more religious friends, what if Jebus came back and he is Bernie Sanders?
What if this is the Last Judgment?

So once again I am surprised that Cruz (not so much Trump) would not open his arms to the poor or immigrants. I am surprised that they don't want to allow them in, cloth them, protect them, feed them and wash their feet!

"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."- ‎Matthew 19:21

+1.    For Cruz, I think it's the POTUS first before his faith.  

[StevenR84]

20 minutes ago, Elmer said:

Yes really. It is taken from the Simpsons.
From a character who goes to Church every sunday, yet does not know the name of the guy he is praying to.
similarly as the Politicians who like to talk about their faith, yet don't know about what the guy really stood for!

I got your reference. Homer shows up late to church, talking about all the horrible people he has to see while there (who can hear him because hes talking loud) and then says "praise jebus" and turns on a nice face when he sees all these people who are clearly unhappy with him, but he doesn't notice. Either because he doesn't care or he's too stupid to get it. Either way it parallels pretty well.

[Jeremie Boop]

33 minutes ago, Elmer said:

 

 

Yes really. It is taken from the Simpsons.
From a character who goes to Church every sunday, yet does not know the name of the guy he is praying to.
similarly as the Politicians who like to talk about their faith, yet don't know about what the guy really stood for!

@Jeremie Boop, it is not to take a dig at your belief or faith in anyway. It is not to question your beliefs or debate your beliefs, It is a symbol of the hypocrisy of those who say they believe, yet don't follow.
 

 

30 minutes ago, StevenR84 said:

Fair enough. Since this truck a chord with you i'll assume you are a believer or participate in some organized religion. Which candidate did you cast your vote for in your states primary?

I'm not religious, and I'm not voting for anyone if what we have to choose from are these choices. Try to justify using a different name however you want, it only hurts your message. But truth be told all this is off topic, so I'll drop it.

[Mr. Desmond]

To get us out of the unfortunate rut above, how about BILL for President:

Bill Clinton defended one of his wife Hillary's most controversial comments during a heated exchange with protesters Thursday afternoon in Philadelphia. The former president's speech was interrupted by protesters upset with the Clinton legacy of welfare reform and mass incarceration of minorities, prompting Bill to defend her infamous use of the phrase "superpredators" to describe black youth in 1996. "I don't know how you would describe the gang leaders who got 13-year-olds hopped up on crack and sent them out in the streets to murder other African-American children," he said while looking directly at the protesters, "Maybe you thought they were good citizens, [Hillary] didn't." He added: "You are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter."

Bill knows how to put people in place and he is a charmer ... lol.

[Lefty-Golfer]

13 hours ago, Mr. Desmond said:

To get us out of the unfortunate rut above, how about BILL for President:

Bill Clinton defended one of his wife Hillary's most controversial comments during a heated exchange with protesters Thursday afternoon in Philadelphia. The former president's speech was interrupted by protesters upset with the Clinton legacy of welfare reform and mass incarceration of minorities, prompting Bill to defend her infamous use of the phrase "superpredators" to describe black youth in 1996. "I don't know how you would describe the gang leaders who got 13-year-olds hopped up on crack and sent them out in the streets to murder other African-American children," he said while looking directly at the protesters, "Maybe you thought they were good citizens, [Hillary] didn't." He added: "You are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter."

Bill knows how to put people in place and he is a charmer ... lol.

I hated Bill when he was in office...now when you look at the current state of affairs he seems like a nice compromise! I mean you have a socialist, a crazy bitch, Canadian and whatever you want to call Trump....sigh

[newtogolf]

27 minutes ago, Lefty-Golfer said:

I hated Bill when he was in office...now when you look at the current state of affairs he seems like a nice compromise! I mean you have a socialist, a crazy bitch, Canadian and whatever you want to call Trump....sigh

Agreed, Bill looks better in hindsight after 8 years of GW and almost 8 years of Obama.  I'd probably take him over Hillary and Sanders though.  I bet Bill is happy he can get some Cuban cigars now.  

[StevenR84]

1 hour ago, Lefty-Golfer said:

I mean you have a socialist, a crazy bitch, Canadian and whatever you want to call Trump....sigh

A Facist

[Elmer]

15 hours ago, Mr. Desmond said:

To get us out of the unfortunate rut above, how about BILL for President:

Bill Clinton defended one of his wife Hillary's most controversial comments during a heated exchange with protesters Thursday afternoon in Philadelphia. The former president's speech was interrupted by protesters upset with the Clinton legacy of welfare reform and mass incarceration of minorities, prompting Bill to defend her infamous use of the phrase "superpredators" to describe black youth in 1996. "I don't know how you would describe the gang leaders who got 13-year-olds hopped up on crack and sent them out in the streets to murder other African-American children," he said while looking directly at the protesters, "Maybe you thought they were good citizens, [Hillary] didn't." He added: "You are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter."

Bill knows how to put people in place and he is a charmer ... lol.

If we can get around the 22nd amendment I would gladly vote for Clinton a 4th time!
He is the ultimate politician, smooth at the podium and on point. I have read that face to face he is beyond super charismatic.

He could always run as VP have Hillary quit on her 2nd day and allow Bill to finish her term.

But I have a feeling if Trump gets the GOP nomination even after a contested convention the GOP in the house and Senate may be willing to repeal the 22nd amendment!

[newtogolf]

10 minutes ago, Elmer said:

If we can get around the 22nd amendment I would gladly vote for Clinton a 4th time!
He is the ultimate politician, smooth at the podium and on point. I have read that face to face he is beyond super charismatic.

He could always run as VP have Hillary quit on her 2nd day and allow Bill to finish her term.

But I have a feeling if Trump gets the GOP nomination even after a contested convention the GOP in the house and Senate may be willing to repeal the 22nd amendment!

Bill can't be V.P. either.  I don't see Trump getting the GOP nomination but I'd take him over a third term of Obama.  If Trump plays Obama's plea to the SCOTUS to sign an executive order that provides healthcare to illegal aliens he could gain back some of his popularity.  These people are criminals and now Obama wants to reward them with benefits of citizenship, smh.  

[Mr. Desmond]

5 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

Bill can't be V.P. either.  I don't see Trump getting the GOP nomination but I'd take him over a third term of Obama.  If Trump plays Obama's plea to the SCOTUS to sign an executive order that provides healthcare to illegal aliens he could gain back some of his popularity.  These people are criminals and now Obama wants to reward them with benefits of citizenship, smh.  

July 2015 - "It was a point Obama has made before when faced with questions of whether the president’s healthcare law would mean millions of undocumented immigrants would suddenly get free healthcare through Obamacare. Under the law, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federal coverage, including Medicare and nonemergency Medicaid, however they could access emergency care under federal law. They also cannot purchase private health insurance through state insurance exchanges, according to the National Immigration Law Center." Headline was Obama makes point that illegal aliens will not receive benefits ....

Don't think Obama is concerned with his popularity although it is going up as this campaign continues.

I think we are wasting some talent with former presidents. After about 8 years, we should allow them to run for one 4 year term -- having had time to reflect on their failures and successes, the probability is that they'd be better than they were the first time.

[Elmer]

19 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

Bill can't be V.P. either.  I don't see Trump getting the GOP nomination but I'd take him over a third term of Obama.  If Trump plays Obama's plea to the SCOTUS to sign an executive order that provides healthcare to illegal aliens he could gain back some of his popularity.  These people are criminals and now Obama wants to reward them with benefits of citizenship, smh.  

Illegal Immigrants can walk into any hospital and receive care (thanks socialism).
At very least with Healthcare, they can pay a portion of their bill and the insurance company can make a profit (yeah capitalism!!!)

8 minutes ago, Mr. Desmond said:

July 2015 - "It was a point Obama has made before when faced with questions of whether the president’s healthcare law would mean millions of undocumented immigrants would suddenly get free healthcare through Obamacare. Under the law, undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federal coverage, including Medicare and nonemergency Medicaid, however they could access emergency care under federal law. They also cannot purchase private health insurance through state insurance exchanges, according to the National Immigration Law Center." Headline was Obama makes point that illegal aliens will not receive benefits ....

Don't think Obama is concerned with his popularity although it is going up as this campaign continues.

I think we are wasting some talent with former presidents. After about 8 years, we should allow them to run for one 4 year term -- having had time to reflect on their failures and successes, the probability is that they'd be better than they were the first time.

I would be afraid that those who would vote for Trump would vote for GWB again!!!!

[Mr. Desmond]

29 minutes ago, Elmer said:

 

I would be afraid that those who would vote for Trump would vote for GWB again!!!!

As long as Cheney was not involved ... or the neo-cons, and Colin Powell was the VP. But I don't think GWB enjoyed it and let's face it, GWB was a great guy to share a beer or in his early days something illegal like our other baby boomer Presidents, but he wasn't mentally ready to be President ... is not strong enough mentally or intellectually ...  but Bill, he would enjoy it.

Edited April 8, 2016 by Mr. Desmond

[DrvFrShow]

I think Hillary, even though she is the Democrats least electable candidate, is the best candidate for the GOP in 2016. It will stave off the demise of the Republican Party. It would give them a unifying cause. Think about the 24 years of hate they have bottled up and ready to unleash on her. And she's as corporate a Democrat as you can get. She'll give them what they want, too, all while right wing talk radio and FOX News is whipping up the GOP base telling the people what a horrible job she's doing. Meanwhile the big banks and all the GOP beneficiaries get richer under her policies. In 2018 the GOP will retake the House and Senate, and the witch hunts will start again. They'll look for links between the Clinton Foundation and the Panama Papers. In 2020 people will hold their noses and re-elect Hillary because the GOP puts up some loser for slaughter like they did Dole in 1996. Do you really think they'd want to beat her in 2020? No way. She's too much of a lightning rod. They'd have 28 years of hate invested and more committee investigations ongoing to keep their Senators and Representatives in the public eye and on TV.

A Sanders presidency, however, could spell doom for the GOP. He's too clean. He's the most electable candidate for the Democrats because he could bring out enough independents to vote and allow the Democrats to take back both houses by large margins. This could allow him to get a lot of his agenda through in his first two years. 

[rkim291968]

On 4/8/2016 at 6:19 AM, Mr. Desmond said:

I think we are wasting some talent with former presidents. After about 8 years, we should allow them to run for one 4 year term -- having had time to reflect on their failures and successes, the probability is that they'd be better than they were the first time.

OTOH, they could be worse than their first time.  

If Mrs. Clinton wins the general election, we get two Clintons for a price of one.   I get the feeling that Mr. Clinton will play a key unofficial adviser role.   

Trump's presidency will divide the country further ever before.   There will be demonstrators on every policy he makes.   Civil unrest, riots will become prevalent.  White supremacist groups will be emboldened.  Minorities will feel left out.  US will be a laughing stock from the eyes of international politics.    Relationship between US and China, Mexico, Israel, Middle East, ..., will worsen.     After his 1st (and only) term, there will be nothing left of GOP and DEM will have the POTUS, senate, and congress for the next 20 years.

So, I say, vote for Kasich or Sanders.   Send all donation for their campaign to me.   I accept paypal, and major credit cards.