It's All About the Ball - and Ego

[Gator Hazard]

31 minutes ago, iacas said:

Move beyond the idea that "red = women". They're just tees at certain yardages. If you play from them, they're your tees.

Downing is a muni. Whispering Woods is not all that expensive, either.

As you know some courses don't even use colors.

I think Caledonia uses different kinds of ducks, for example.

In Florida I have seen everything from Blue being the tips, white the "normal men's "tees, red the "women's" gold for "seniors" etc to a numbering system. At Deltona Golf Club they are labeled Roman numerals I through V. Have seen one place with six color tees to choose from which included really forward ones for kiddos or whomever. Agree:  Pick your poison and know your distances. I have played red tees before. Didn't bother me. Should have played them last week when at Crescent Oaks, might have a few more balls in my bag. 

[1badbadger]

33 minutes ago, jkelley9 said:

Interesting. Would you say that's average "good" forward tee separations?

My courses are like @Blackjack Don is stating (I think). I've attached my home course with the delta distances.

Would you say these are poorly spaced? I kind of feel like they are?

Edit: I updated to include championship-senior (full width) of tees. Appears 42.5 yards/hole average. Is this better? 

This to me isn't the proper yardage differences.  Just looking at the difference between Middle and Senior tees (I can't believe they made a point to use the terms "Championship" and "Middle" which are gender and age neutral, then use the term "Senior". There are a lot of people who should play the forward tees that are not seniors, but won't because of the name, especially females who are not seniors) and there are holes like #1, #10, #13 which are only 10 yards difference, and #3, #11, #12, #14 which are only about 15 yds difference, so almost half the holes are 15 yds or less.  Then #4, #5, #9, #15, #17 and #18 that are 35-50 yds difference!  I think this is better than 10 yds, but if I was playing for money I don't think I'd want to spot anyone 50 yds.

[Gator Hazard]

24 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Wait a minute.  You don't like long holes, because you can't hit your driver.  You want to play from 200 yards to have more fun.  And now the par-3 holes suck too?  I rarely suggest this, but have you considered that golf may just not be the game for you?

Good point, if don't like long or short holes all that is left is Congo River, where the putters are plastic and the balls don't have a name on them. But they have an arcade! 

[Blackjack Don]

A poll in another thread shows me that I don't have an audience here. I guess I'm a thorn that doesn't need to be in the paw. If none of what I've said makes any sense to anybody here, which 90% disagree with, then I'll shut up. I am pissing into the wind.

[Hacker James]

1 minute ago, Blackjack Don said:

A poll in another thread shows me that I don't have an audience here. I guess I'm a thorn that doesn't need to be in the paw. If none of what I've said makes any sense to anybody here, which 90% disagree with, then I'll shut up. I am pissing into the wind.

it's not so much that as it is that it appears that when you do not get the responses you like, you start another thread with another name and say the same things.  As stated many times, just do what YOU want to, derive all the benefits that suit YOU, if others do not agree, no matter.  Arguments for the sake of arguing is just that.....I should know, I have done the same thing on several occasions or at least have been accused of it.  I try and catch myself however. 

"If you piss into the wind - expect blow back"  

[boogielicious]

5 minutes ago, Blackjack Don said:

A poll in another thread shows me that I don't have an audience here. I guess I'm a thorn that doesn't need to be in the paw. If none of what I've said makes any sense to anybody here, which 90% disagree with, then I'll shut up. I am pissing into the wind.

Or, you could actually learn from the discussion and change your mind and approach. Many of us are very smart people in our area of expertise. But we are also smart enough to know what we don't know and try to listen and learn from others who may know more.

We also have ideas that, upon discussion with others, are shown to be off track. We learn from that and change our minds on the subject. We don't consider it an affront to our egos either. It is just a learning experience.

[CarlSpackler]

48 minutes ago, Blackjack Don said:

I have never, ever, not even ever, seen a man play from the red tees. Not sure there is a manly duck you could put on that tee box to get a man to hit from there. Am I the only one who is seeing it the way I am?

I'm comfortable with my masculinity. I don't have to play from the back tees to prove anything.

[Hacker James]

Just now, CarlSpackler said:

I'm comfortable with my masculinity. I don't have to play from the back tees to prove anything.

ha ha...do tell...I dont have any concerns on the color of the tees, except there was one time when I was paired up with three younger women and I decided to join them on the reds. They took exception to it (sorta), and beat the hell out of me anyway. (they were pretty good however).

[1badbadger]

15 minutes ago, Hacker James said:

ha ha...do tell...I dont have any concerns on the color of the tees, except there was one time when I was paired up with three younger women and I decided to join them on the reds. They took exception to it (sorta), and beat the hell out of me anyway. (they were pretty good however).

That sounds like a lot more fun than playing with yourself from the blue tees....

[Hacker James]

Just now, 1badbadger said:

That sounds like a lot more fun than playing with yourself from the blue tees....

haha...I only do that when a group of attractive young females are teeing off from the reds in front of me.....  (I hardly believe I just said that)

[David in FL]

32 minutes ago, 1badbadger said:

 if I was playing for money I don't think I'd want to spot anyone 50 yds.

Maybe, maybe not.  If they're playing tees that really reflect their ability and difference in length, I see no problem.  I play with guys that are easily 50 yards longer than me off the tee.  Even if I play tees that allow me to keep up with them on the drive, they're still at an advantage because I'm still hitting a club or two more on my approach than they are.

It's also worth remembering that if you're splitting tees, handicaps are adjusted based on the difference in course rating  between the two.  

[Hacker James]

1 minute ago, David in FL said:

Maybe, maybe not.  If they're playing tees that really reflect their ability and difference in length, I see no problem.  I play with guys that are easily 50 yards longer than me off the tee.  Even if I play tees that allow me to keep up with them on the drive, they're still at an advantage because I'm still hitting a club or two more on my approach than they are.

It's also worth remembering that if you're splitting tees, handicaps are adjusted based on the difference in course rating  between the two.  

like on the courses with combo tees. Not exactly sure how HC's are adjusted, but the concept makes a lot of sense.

Edited March 2, 2017 by Hacker James

[David in FL]

7 minutes ago, Hacker James said:

like on the courses with combo tees. Not exactly sure how HC's are adjusted, but the concept makes a lot of sense.

When done properly, if a course uses a set of combination tees, that set will be individually rated for CR/slope along with the other tees.

We were talking more about two players competing against each other, with one player playing from one set of tees, while one plays from another.

[1badbadger]

4 minutes ago, David in FL said:

Maybe, maybe not.  If they're playing tees that really reflect their ability and difference in length, I see no problem.  I play with guys that are easily 50 yards longer than me off the tee.  Even if I play tees that allow me to keep up with them on the drive, they're still at an advantage because I'm still hitting a club or two more on my approach than they are.

It's also worth remembering that if you're splitting tees, handicaps are adjusted based on the difference in course rating  between the two.  

I get what you're saying Dave.  One of the points that was part of that discussion is the yardage difference between sets of tees isn't so all players are hitting their approach shot from the same yardage...it's supposed to allow players to hit the same club on their approach shot, so a player who is 50 yds longer than you playing tees that are 50 yds further back would not have that result (which is not uncommon).  To hit the same club, your tees would need to be about 70 yds up.

You made a great point about handicaps and course rating too.  Sometimes that goes out the window when gambling though!

[David in FL]

4 minutes ago, 1badbadger said:

 

You made a great point about handicaps and course rating too.  Sometimes that goes out the window when gambling though!

The game is won or lost on the first tee box....  

[krupa]

20 minutes ago, David in FL said:

The game is won or lost on the first tee box....  

Well then what's all this bitching about pace of play?

[David in FL]

5 minutes ago, krupa said:

Well then what's all this bitching about pace of play?

Because that directly affects how long it takes to get to the beer in the clubhouse after the round!  

[DaveP043]

6 minutes ago, krupa said:

Well then what's all this bitching about pace of play?

There ya go.  First tee, I win, you hand me 5 bucks, we go to the bar and I buy the first beer.    4 hours of heartbreak avoided completely.