High Launch High spin Driver

[tree10]

I recently got my numbers from a simulator.

driver tm r15 430cc

Swing speed 110 mph

Launch angle 19 degrees

Spin 4000

Apex 166 ft

The spin is very high. The system did not record angle of attack but i assume it was positive based on the very high launch. Any suggestion as to why the spin was so high

[Club Rat]

3 hours ago, tree10 said:

Any suggestion as to why the spin was so high

Check the impact on the club face position by using a dry marker or baby powder or impact stick-on's.
Usually a center hit has less spin unless the swing path is crossing the target line.

Other possibilities would be hitting the ball on the outer center area or even toe which produce the gear effect of the ball flight,
Flipping the club at impact produces more spin.

With a 110mph swing you should be compressing the ball when you tag it.
When you have a bad swing at it, does the ball banana or hook badly? 

@saevel25 is the guru on simulator numbers and could offer other and better suggestions.

[saevel25]

3 hours ago, tree10 said:

Launch angle 19 degrees

Spin 4000

Apex 166 ft

The spin is very high. The system did not record angle of attack but i assume it was positive based on the very high launch. Any suggestion as to why the spin was so high

That looks a bit strange. My best guess is you are hitting down so much you are catching the ball more eon the crown of the club versus the club face. Those are just extreme numbers really. Tough to say what is really going on, but I doubt it is the club. 

[tree10]

bad swing is high right push. am i hitting down on the ball from the launch angle given. it is only carrying about 250 with very little roll.

[CSkipr]

Your launch angle and spin are very high.  Would think launch should be somewhere around 12-13 and spin 2500 or below.  You didn't mention what degree loft driver you are using?  You could be hitting down on the ball, the ball might be a high spin ball, shaft, etc.  Is this a new driver for you or just the first time to a simulator.

[tree10]

I am using a Callaway Warbird ball. The loft of the driver is 9.5 degrees with a stiff flex speeder 57. I dont think a shaft change will knock of 1500 spin. Its my first time on sim with driver.

[Club Rat]

I would suggest posting a swing video, members are encouraged to post video of their swings for discussion with others as well as tracking progress and storing notes.

A few thoughts on the probabilities causing the high launch/spin -
1. Ball position at address, teeing height, club head path are vital when controlling 120 mph swing
2. Equipment for a 120 mph club head speed, long drive competitors use 5*-7* loft heads with 3X stiff or higher shafts designed for
maximum torx resistance
3. The swing, viewing angles of body, arms, spine, hand position at impact.

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[DrvFrShow]

I wish I had your 250 yd problem.

[tree10]

36 minutes ago, DrvFrShow said:

I wish I had your 250 yd problem.

With 10 yards of role. At my swing speed I should be carrying at about 275

I am not going to post a swing video. I was just wondering if the machine is off or was it my swing.

[Moppy]

I don't know anything, really, but have you thought about tilting your left shoulder higher to change your angle of attack?

 

Like Rory here

 

[tree10]

If my launch angle is 19 degrees am I not hitting up on the ball to much?

[1badbadger]

It's really hard to launch a 9.5* driver at 19*  I have a feeling you're hitting the ball at the extreme top of the clubface or possibly off the crown.  Even if your angle of attack is +5*, your launch angle still wouldn't be 19*, and your spin would be lower.  I don't think you're hitting up on it too much...I think you might be going underneath it.  I have worked with thousands of players using launch monitor data, so that would be my initial thoughts.  

The suggestion to get some impact tape or use some talc to see where your are hitting the clubface is a good idea.  That's where I would start.

[tree10]

3 minutes ago, 1badbadger said:

It's really hard to launch a 9.5* driver at 19*  I have a feeling you're hitting the ball at the extreme top of the clubface or possibly off the crown.  Even if your angle of attack is +5*, your launch angle still wouldn't be 19*, and your spin would be lower.  I don't think you're hitting up on it too much...I think you might be going underneath it.  I have worked with thousands of players using launch monitor data, so that would be my initial thoughts.  

The suggestion to get some impact tape or use some talc to see where your are hitting the clubface is a good idea.  That's where I would start.

With spray my impact seem to be 1 inch to the heel of the club

[1badbadger]

14 minutes ago, tree10 said:

With spray my impact seem to be 1 inch to the heel of the club

Ok.  Ideally, your launch  angle should be between 11-12*, and your spin should be around 2300-2400 rpms.  Typically, when the spin rates are really high, the launch angle tends to be low, so for both to be excessively high is a little unusual.  If there is any other launch numbers that you have like ball speed, sidespin, or anything else, that might provide some clues as well.  

So the impact that is producing these numbers is approx. like this, correct?

[tree10]

5 minutes ago, 1badbadger said:

Ok.  Ideally, your launch  angle should be between 11-12*, and your spin should be around 2300-2400 rpms.  Typically, when the spin rates are really high, the launch angle tends to be low, so for both to be excessively high is a little unusual.  If there is any other launch numbers that you have like ball speed, sidespin, or anything else, that might provide some clues as well.  

So the impact that is producing these numbers is approx. like this, correct?

The ball speed was about 150 on average. I have a 430 cc driver so it a bit more heel and generally center and below. I have no other data.

[1badbadger]

1 hour ago, tree10 said:

The ball speed was about 150 on average. I have a 430 cc driver so it a bit more heel and generally center and below. I have no other data.

Ok, so closer to this?

I honestly have no idea how you're able to launch a 9.5* driver with impact at or below the center line of the face and towards the heel.  That would usually result in a pretty low launch angle, so without some additional information I am at a loss.  

I'm guessing the data was obtained through a series of shots, and the numbers you provided are the average of the shots?  If you have a print-out of the data that shows all of the shots that you could post, that might shed some light on what the issue is, but there is definitely a problem somewhere that is causing your shots to launch too high and spin too much.  It could easily be costing you 15-20 yds or more.

[DrvFrShow]

I use a 9.5 driver and get a 13.5 degree launch unless I hit too low on the clubface. The only way I can get a higher launch is to hit almost under the ball off the crown of the club - it'll go about 150 yds with a lot of backspin. Normally I get 205 - 215 carry. 

Hitting off the inside of the club head will add spin and can add a lot of it. I don't think you can possibly have a 10 degree AoA. That's huge.

 

Edited April 13, 2017 by DrvFrShow

[tree10]

39 minutes ago, DrvFrShow said:

I use a 9.5 driver and get a 13.5 degree launch unless I hit too low on the clubface. The only way I can get a higher launch is to hit almost under the ball off the crown of the club - it'll go about 150 yds with a lot of backspin. Normally I get 205 - 215 carry. 

Hitting off the inside of the club head will add spin and can add a lot of it. I don't think you can possibly have a 10 degree AoA. That's huge.

 

I have been looking on youtube and apparently if you flip the club it can add loft and increase spin. I assume that and hitting out of the heel is my problem.