Putting green woes, too much roll

[hack2scratch]

My 35-75 yards chip shots are rolling off the green, almost always...

it will land toward the center or before center and will roll the other half of the green and stop outside the green

am I not compressing enough? I take a divot but it never seems to stop. It will look good then roll forever. 

Using Nike mojos and top flight d2

putting also seems to be rolling too much. I am always rolling past the cup. About 2 to 4 yards past no matter how light or short the stroke is.

Always adding 2 more stoke to my score. If I can just get the ball to sit and/or lag properly to to hole. I'll be able to break 100 consistently 

 

 

 

 

 

[David in FL]

Don't hit the ball so hard.  

[hack2scratch]

7 minutes ago, David in FL said:

Don't hit the ball so hard.  

Tried that and I get a pathetic no follow thru 1 yard shot lol. 

 

I see peoples people check check up and roll maybe 1 yard! 

[David in FL]

3 minutes ago, hack2scratch said:

Tried that and I get a pathetic no follow thru 1 yard shot lol. 

 

I see peoples people check check up and roll maybe 1 yard! 

Even your putts go 6-12  feet too far....

Feel type shots, including longer putts can be difficult to judge, primarily because they're often not practiced.  I'm not trying to be glib, but if you're landing your 50 yard pitches on the middle of the green and finding that they run through the green, learn to land them at the front, or even short as necessary.

It's also worth noting that distant balls like those you're playing tend to produce less spin, meaning that you need to accept that and simply play for more roll than you'd get from a higher spin ball.  And no, I wouldn't necessarily recommend a higher spin tour type ball for a high handicap beginner.

 

[WUTiger]

24 minutes ago, hack2scratch said:

am I not compressing enough? I take a divot but it never seems to stop. It will look good then roll forever. 

Using Nike mojos and top flight d2

According to equipment reviews, the Mojo is a distance ball with fairly good stopping power. For the D2 family, the newer D2+ Feel is supposed to deliver distance and greenside control.

Being that you have a beginner's HDCP, I would suggest you get a short-game lesson. I get a short-game checkover every few years, and I always learn something new.

A skilled instructor can take you further toward short-game control in an hour than you can take yourself with a whole season of hit and miss. Also, good contact on partial wedges and chip-and-run can build a foundation for a solid full swing.

[No Mulligans]

Could be the greens you play.  There is one course I play ocassionally that has greens that are not too fast but are hard.  It's hard to make a ball mark, it's hard to stop the ball.  You have to try to adjust to the roll.

[Buckeyebowman]

2 hours ago, David in FL said:

Even your putts go 6-12  feet too far....

Feel type shots, including longer putts can be difficult to judge, primarily because they're often not practiced.  I'm not trying to be glib, but if you're landing your 50 yard pitches on the middle of the green and finding that they run through the green, learn to land them at the front, or even short as necessary.

It's also worth noting that distant balls like those you're playing tend to produce less spin, meaning that you need to accept that and simply play for more roll than you'd get from a higher spin ball.  And no, I wouldn't necessarily recommend a higher spin tour type ball for a high handicap beginner.

 

The last paragraph here is very important. While a soft cover, high spin ball might help you on approach shots, it may likely kill you on longer shots with less lofted clubs. Because less lofted clubs produce more sidespin than backspin, and will probably put you in the weeds or woods! You need to look for a happy medium, and maybe play for the roll.

It won't always work. But, nothing in golf ever does!

[hack2scratch]

Good points and I prefer to keep the same balls. Higher spin will cause my slice to go over two fairways lol. Right now I have a controlled fade that I can predict.

[klineka]

what club are you using for the 35-75 yard shots? A wedge with a higher loft such as a 58 or 60 degree lob wedge would help get the ball higher in the air and stop quicker once it lands. Also, how old are the wedges you are using? Are the grooves crisp and sharp? That will affect the amount of spin you are able to generate on the ball.

[hack2scratch]

5 hours ago, klineka said:

what club are you using for the 35-75 yard shots? A wedge with a higher loft such as a 58 or 60 degree lob wedge would help get the ball higher in the air and stop quicker once it lands. Also, how old are the wedges you are using? Are the grooves crisp and sharp? That will affect the amount of spin you are able to generate on the ball.

Mizuno 56 degree MP - RAW Black Ox, I think they're pretty old. Grooves are still in good shape.

After the above posters, I started paying attention to my pitch/chip shots and I always aim for the middle. I think I need to aim closer to the front and allow for the roll. Seems no matter how hard i try, i'll get the middle though.

[Shorty]

On 28/05/2017 at 8:56 AM, hack2scratch said:

 

I see peoples people check check up and roll maybe 1 yard! 

Not on hard greens, you don't. 

[saevel25]

On 5/27/2017 at 9:41 PM, hack2scratch said:

Good points and I prefer to keep the same balls. Higher spin will cause my slice to go over two fairways lol. Right now I have a controlled fade that I can predict.

Not really. The difference between premium golf balls and cheap golf balls with regards to driver spin is under 1000 rpm. The difference in wedge spin could be upwards of 3000 rpm. 

What technique are you using? If you are chipping then you will obviously see more roll then if you were pitching the ball. 

[upndown21]

3 hours ago, hack2scratch said:

Mizuno 56 degree MP - RAW Black Ox, I think they're pretty old. Grooves are still in good shape.

After the above posters, I started paying attention to my pitch/chip shots and I always aim for the middle. I think I need to aim closer to the front and allow for the roll. Seems no matter how hard i try, i'll get the middle though.

Have you tried choking up on the club?

[hack2scratch]

9 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Not really. The difference between premium golf balls and cheap golf balls with regards to driver spin is under 1000 rpm. The difference in wedge spin could be upwards of 3000 rpm. 

What technique are you using? If you are chipping then you will obviously see more roll then if you were pitching the ball. 

Technique for chipping? This is the one I learned from the local pro.

address the ball, open face slightly, aim left slightly, weight over the left side (with head over/past the left foot). Stroke it with shoulders only no wrist or hand movements. 3 inches back, 3 inches forward. Use speed for distance not stroke length. If you need to go over a bunker, open a bit more and hinge, 3 inches back, hold hinge 3 inches forward.

6 minutes ago, upndown21 said:

Have you tried choking up on the club?

I tried choking up but then i feel very cramped like a ball very low to the ground. Not very comfortable for me. I have a very upright posture.

[saevel25]

My best guess is that you use to much forward shaft lean and hit to down on the ball. You are taking to much loft off the club and are hitting shots to low. 

I would check out this thread, 

I pitch pretty much nearly all my short game shots around the green. Chipping only comes into play when I don't need the height and the ball is close enough that I don't need the extra speed from adding wrist the amount of wrist hinge used in a pitch. 

[hack2scratch]

@saevel25, thanks for the link.

I'll try this tomorrow and see what kind of results i get. Reading the other comments and watching the video, I might actually be hitting too hard and shaft too far forward (I'm picturing my stance now and i think my hands are past my left hip, but i don't remember being taught with so much shaft lean. Wonder how that snuck in naturally). My ball tends to pull left and low when i lose my tempo. And speeds off the green.

[Buckeyebowman]

49 minutes ago, hack2scratch said:

Technique for chipping? This is the one I learned from the local pro.

address the ball, open face slightly, aim left slightly, weight over the left side (with head over/past the left foot). Stroke it with shoulders only no wrist or hand movements. 3 inches back, 3 inches forward. Use speed for distance not stroke length. If you need to go over a bunker, open a bit more and hinge, 3 inches back, hold hinge 3 inches forward.

I tried choking up but then i feel very cramped like a ball very low to the ground. Not very comfortable for me. I have a very upright posture.

I can see your head being forward of the ball for a low flying chip, but NOT ahead of your left foot! That sounds like an extreme exaggeration. Maybe pull your head back so it's just in front of the ball and see how that works.

[Hardspoon]

1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

I pitch pretty much nearly all my short game shots around the green. Chipping only comes into play when I don't need the height and the ball is close enough that I don't need the extra speed from adding wrist the amount of wrist hinge used in a pitch. 

I've started doing the same thing - I'm much more consistent.  Even a very short shot with a pitching motion is better (for me) than trying to chip the ball.

@hack2scratch, one thing you'll notice is that the best way to control roll-out is (often) with trajectory, rather than spin.  If you can hit your shot higher, it won't roll out as much, and this is something you can do more consistently than trying to "spin it back".  The pitching video referenced above should help you get more trajectory compared with a chip shot.