TaylorMade M3/M4 Discussion

[billchao]

59 minutes ago, iacas said:

They didn't say otherwise. You missed something, somewhere…

They're saying that they over-curve. So high toe over-curves and ends up 8 yards left. Low heel over-cuts and ends up 6 yards right.

I was going by what I read in the article @b101 linked:

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When a real golfer hits a shot from the toe, he often has swung from the inside out, and a common outcome is a low spinning pull hook.

Must have misinterpreted what they meant. All I'm saying is my toe shots aren't pulled (and my heel shots aren't pushed).

[iacas]

3 minutes ago, b101 said:

I reckon you're over-thinking it. I think they're just relying on pretty pictures and a lot of hype to fool people, regardless of what the actual facts are.

Perhaps.

Just now, billchao said:

I was going by what I read in the article @b101 linked:

Oh. I didn't read the article.

And yeah, a toe shot results in a pull-hook? Uhhhh…?

[Veteran Golf Fan]

As a current M-1 player, it had adjustments for fade bias, draw bias, higher or lower.  Easy to adjust to it with a wrench.   I am not sure I could adjust to looking down at this new driver.

[b101]

Not sure whether this is the right place for this, but it's clearly linked to the M3/4 release. I follow quite a bit of Mark Crossfield's channel and found this interesting. Can see why he splits opinion, but the message from TM does seem a very poor one (and lacking confidence in their own product). Obviously released to coincide with the embargo lifting as there have been quite a few videos about the new drivers popping up. 

 

[Veteran Golf Fan]

So I watched the video with the Taylor Made players and the Taylor Made guy trying to explain it to them and all had puzzled looks on their face.  They will all have to do some serious testing and if they don't like it, they can always stick to their M-1 or M-2 which they have been trusting.

[nevets88]

Did a quick search on Adams and Cobra's similar feature and couldn't find detailed information other than the usual marketing material.

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It also leads to more consistent effectiveness of Cobra’s canted bulge and dual roll face design, where the bulge is angled from low heel to high toe and the lower portion of the face features a larger radius roll measurement for more loft and higher launch.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/cobras-new-king-f8f8-drivers-embrace-precise-manufacturing-as-key-to-better-performance

 

TaylorMade on reddit:

 

 

[Veteran Golf Fan]

There is only so much you can do to a driver without expecting diminishing returns.  I wonder whatever happened to that Wilson driver they had some young geeks designing in hopes of winning a prize.  Is there a Wilson player playing it on tour?  Haven't seen any in Golf stores either.

Rickie shortened his driver down for more control.  Seems it worked pretty well at the Hero where he started out with 7 straight birdies and coming in from the fairway many, many times.

[billchao]

24 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

 

Kind of a stupid tweet. True innovation is rare. Everybody copies everyone else. Plus, TaylorMade own Adams Golf.

31 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

TaylorMade on reddit:

 

 

I feel like they should have wrote "some" players, because not everybody misses the exact same way.

[Typhoon92]

If you're hittiing shots that poorly, on that part of the club, maybe save a few hundred bucks...buy 2016 M2 and some lessons so u can find the middle of the face.

Doesn't appear to benefit the better golfer much...guess once cor, ball speed is maxed out they have to make up something.

How about using a Polara golf ball!

[GolfLug]

I am willing to buy that increasing loft on toe shots will reduce side spin but find lowering of loft on heel puzzling. I have to believe the testing shows it to be a positive gain. TM might be exaggerating the effect (maybe) but I can't see how it is simply a marketing gimmick. 

 

[nevets88]

This is more a marketing point, but that shock and awesome bit in the webpage, ov vey.

[saevel25]

58 minutes ago, GolfLug said:

I am willing to buy that increasing loft on toe shots will reduce side spin but find lowering of loft on heel puzzling. I have to believe the testing shows it to be a positive gain. TM might be exaggerating the effect (maybe) but I can't see how it is simply a marketing gimmick. 

 

It should increase spin. More loft means more spin loft. Of course that depends on the golfer. Maybe they were seeing too low spin numbers on toe strikes for the average golfer. Which could be an issue since they lack the ball speed. 

 I think the heel strike is the one we’re i doubt average golfers will see benefit. 

[iacas]

3 hours ago, nevets88 said:

 

TaylorMade on reddit:

 

Well, we obviously don't have their data… but okay. If they say so. If their data says the face is typically closed for toe hits, and open for heel hits… maybe the things they're doing with the loft make some sense.

[GolfLug]

29 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

It should increase spin. More loft means more spin loft. 

Yes, it will increase lift spin but then because of that proportionately reduce side spin and hence reduce lateral flight curve. Just theorizing.

 

Edited January 3, 2018 by GolfLug

[iacas]

8 minutes ago, GolfLug said:

Yes, it will increase lift spin but then because of that proportionately reduce side spin and hence reduce lateral flight curve. Just theorizing.

Yes. Increased loft tends to reduce the spin axis tilt ("reduce side spin").

[saevel25]

It would be interesting to see their data.

[b101]

8 hours ago, Veteran Golf Fan said:

There is only so much you can do to a driver without expecting diminishing returns.  I wonder whatever happened to that Wilson driver they had some young geeks designing in hopes of winning a prize.  Is there a Wilson player playing it on tour?  Haven't seen any in Golf stores either.

Rickie shortened his driver down for more control.  Seems it worked pretty well at the Hero where he started out with 7 straight birdies and coming in from the fairway many, many times.

Wasn’t the Wilson driver originally non-conforming? Seem to remember them having to go back and tweak it due to moving parts or something...

I think more tour players use cut down shafts than you realise - only anecdotally, but I remember my clubfitter (Precision Golf, who fit a couple of pros and are very top end) saying that it was normal for pros to play 44’5 but that manufacturers offer 46’ as standard because distance sells more than accuracy.

[Veteran Golf Fan]

No wonder Fowler can hit beautiful drivers off the deck when he needs to.  Shorter shaft and forgiving head will do wonders.

Anyone ever hit a high fade into a strong wind?  It typically doesn't go anywhere and the wind takes it far off line.