I hate club shopping - getting new irons to adjust to swing changes - WWYD?

[nevets88]

Worked w/pro and he said my clubs don't fit my swing as I'm making better contact, the AP1s or is it 2, there's a 714 model number stamped on it will take a look at them later - he said lie is too upright and CoG is too far back, ballflight will be too low with my swing. He took a couple of swings himself with my irons to match my swing speed and I saw how low the trajectories were and recent range sessions noticed my traj (ha ha) was low. He gave me a Callaway Steelhead XR 7 and a 5 and I hit those better and higher but the sound of those were wack, I mean wack - weird.

So you'll have to take my golfer card away from me, I hate this crap. I hate shopping. I started looking at clubs and the selection is insane but I already knew that coming in.

I've never liked my current set, I got them because my previous set was so damn old and just figured I should take advantage of new technology but I see how they don't fit me and I've always liked Mizuno, had a forged set before, and I'm just going to pick a set of Mizunos because I don't have time to look at anything else

I picked these myself and pro said they would be a better fit than my current set:

MP-25
MP-15
MP-64

Will go and see if I can find used sets to demo with the Mevo. Looking to keep it under $500, have seen the 64s go for 300.  Once I get them, pro has a Flightscope and said he'll give me a fitting, so prepared to switch shafts as well.

Equipment experts, am I going about any of this the wrong way? Are there any major differences between the above models?

 

[Piz]

The only thing that matters is whether, or not, you like the clubs.  Everything else is window dressing/marketing.  Would you ditch your old fillet knife because a newer model featured a more "ergonomic" handle?  Of course not.  There is such a thing as personal preference.  We do not have to justify our likes and dislikes.  You might hate my 5 wood but I like it and keep it in the bag.  Your putter might give me a rash...that doesn't mean you are a fool for using it.  Buck up, old son, and believe you like what you like and don't like what you don't like.  After all...who is in a better position to say?

[billchao]

25 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

I've never liked my current set, I got them because my previous set was so damn old and just figured I should take advantage of new technology but I see how they don't fit me and I've always liked Mizuno, had a forged set before, and I'm just going to pick a set of Mizunos because I don't have time to look at anything else

Wasn't your Titleist set pseudo-fitted for? I'm pretty sure I was there, Preston fit you for 716s and you went out and bought a similar setup in 714s? Or did you just say whatever and bought whatever?

9 minutes ago, Piz said:

The only thing that matters is whether, or not, you like the clubs.  Everything else is window dressing/marketing.  Would you ditch your old fillet knife because a newer model featured a more "ergonomic" handle?  Of course not.  There is such a thing as personal preference.  We do not have to justify our likes and dislikes.  You might hate my 5 wood but I like it and keep it in the bag.  Your putter might give me a rash...that doesn't mean you are a fool for using it.  Buck up, old son, and believe you like what you like and don't like what you don't like.  After all...who is in a better position to say?

I have to disagree with you, because golf clubs have different design properties that aren't well suited for everyone. Can you play good golf with equipment that doesn't fit well? Absolutely. But you're going to get the most of you skills out of a set of clubs that fit you best.

Much like a good fillet knife, actually. A skilled fishmonger can fillet with any knife, but the one that's weighted and balanced just right for him, that fits in his hand just so, that he's familiar with - that's the knife he's going to be most efficient with.

[Piz]

@billchao I may have overstated my case but the point is/was that there has to be some room for personal preference.  Otherwise we are subject to someone else's idea of what clubs we should be playing.  If I don't like the look or feel of a particular set or club...I'm not having it.  

[billchao]

2 minutes ago, Piz said:

@billchao I may have overstated my case but the point is/was that there has to be some room for personal preference.  Otherwise we are subject to someone else's idea of what clubs we should be playing.  If I don't like the look or feel of a particular set or club...I'm not having it.  

I agree with you there. Fortunately there are a number of similar clubs at any level from different manufacturers to choose from so there's bound to be some combination of looks good and plays well for you to choose from.

You can also choose to play blades you might not necessarily hit as well as a cavity-back set just because you like them 

[Piz]

So...we agree?

[Vinsk]

56 minutes ago, nevets88 said:

Worked w/pro and he said my clubs don't fit my swing as I'm making better contact, the AP1s or is it 2, there's a 714 model number stamped on it will take a look at them later - he said lie is too upright and CoG is too far back, ballflight will be too low with my swing. He took a couple of swings himself with my irons to match my swing speed and I saw how low the trajectories were and recent range sessions noticed my traj (ha ha) was low. He gave me a Callaway Steelhead XR 7 and a 5 and I hit those better and higher but the sound of those were wack, I mean wack - weird.

So you'll have to take my golfer card away from me, I hate this crap. I hate shopping. I started looking at clubs and the selection is insane but I already knew that coming in.

I've never liked my current set, I got them because my previous set was so damn old and just figured I should take advantage of new technology but I see how they don't fit me and I've always liked Mizuno, had a forged set before, and I'm just going to pick a set of Mizunos because I don't have time to look at anything else

I picked these myself and pro said they would be a better fit than my current set:

MP-25
MP-15
MP-64

Will go and see if I can find used sets to demo with the Mevo. Looking to keep it under $500, have seen the 64s go for 300.  Once I get them, pro has a Flightscope and said he'll give me a fitting, so prepared to switch shafts as well.

Equipment experts, am I going about any of this the wrong way? Are there any major differences between the above models?

 

You...you hate club...club shopping? I don’t even know what that means. I’m so discombobulated with that statement. I’ll have to let that breach of golf etiquette go. Damn Schwartz, you went straight to the triple dog dare on that one.

On another note. I completely agree with you on the Steelheads...I had the same experience. Awful sound.

[billchao]

13 minutes ago, Piz said:

So...we agree?

Kind of? Performance does matter, even if you chose to forgo it in lieu of aesthetics.

In my case I should be playing a more forgiving 5i and 6i, but I don't think I'd save enough strokes to make it worth switching. That's an informed decision I choose to make.

[Golfingdad]

Yes you’re going about it all wrong ...

 

... cuz MP-18 MBs weren’t on your list there. 😉

[nevets88]

Well I'm going to have to be a better consumer if I'm going to minimize score so I guess I'm gonna have to do some homework. Looked at the MP-18s will try those as well. Hope I can find places that have the older ones. One store is near Home Depot so at least I can kill two birds with one stone.

[GOATee]

MP-64 and MP-15 not very different.  MP-25 has Boron, try it whether you like the feel.  MP-18 blades be careful not to get out of ego then regret it later haha.

Definitely get fit with flightscope.  Very important, get the right shafts (weight, flex, launch/kick point) as the best head with the wrong shaft will still give the wrong trajectory.

Edited July 14, 2018 by GOATee

[nevets88]

4 hours ago, GOATee said:

MP-64 and MP-15 not very different.  MP-25 has Boron, try it whether you like the feel.  MP-18 blades be careful not to get out of ego then regret it later haha.

Definitely get fit with flightscope.  Very important, get the right shafts (weight, flex, launch/kick point) as the best head with the wrong shaft will still give the wrong trajectory.

Ah, MP-18 SC I meant.

[GOATee]

5 hours ago, nevets88 said:

Ah, MP-18 SC I meant.

I would advise the average swingspeed player to avoid anything too blade-like in the long irons (even the SC version).  The 7-iron will be great in the shop, but if you get the full set, you may find the long irons are hard to launch and hit far enough on the course.

Edited July 14, 2018 by GOATee

[GOATee]

MP-18 needs high swing speed.  MP-64 slightly smallish.

So MP-15 vs MP-25 depending on whether you like the Boron in the MP-25.

[boogielicious]

@nevets88,

The Boron compound Mizuno used for the 25 is not as buttery feeling as their usual steel. I reviewed their JPX version and it didn’t quite have that Mizuno feel as my MP 57s did. They went back to the 1025E for the MP 18 SC. 

The SC is a cavity back and I think you would hit them fine. Michael reviewed the 15s here. Your swing is faster than mine and I would have no problem with either the 15 or 18.

https://thesandtrap.com/b/clubs/mizuno_mp-15_irons_review

[nevets88]

Thanks to all for the very useful advice.

Put all this in an Evernote and refer when at the store. Just based on looks alone, leaning towards the 64s. Have owned many sets with smallish heads, so the size doesn't bother me (I should fish out those Hogan Apex blades I have somewhere,), will try and post what I purchased here.

[nevets88]

Tried a very used set of MP-53s (heads had that dark rusty spot from wear) with a True Temper shaft - no labelling on how stiff. And also a set of used but in great condition MP-18 SCs, w/Modus 3 Tour 120 shafts, extra stiff. 190 for 53s, 550 for 18s.

Not wow'd by either set, the thinner toplines and smaller heads were nice to get back to, didn't hit that many balls, and unfortunately, the balls were practice balls and kept getting 4000-5000 rpms for a 7 iron, was looking more for 7000ish, so guessing balls kept spin down? Will bring my own Pro V1s and Snells next time. PGA Superstore was using Foresight for swing numbers.

[GOATee]

The shafts may not be suitable.

Edited July 16, 2018 by GOATee