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Johnny Miller's Legacy

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  1. 1. Which is Johnny Miller's greatest legacy?

    • His playing career
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    • His broadcasting career
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8 hours ago, BallMarker said:

He's kinda like Phil Mickelson in that they both had to deal with a very dominate opponent, Nicklaus and Woods.

Phil has 43 PGA Tour wins and five majors.

Johnny has 25 PGA Tour wins and two majors. Against weaker competition top to bottom.

I can know all about his playing career and still rank his broadcasting as a bigger deal.

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11 hours ago, BallMarker said:

Either answer is ok.

Just wondering how many here remember Johnny Miller's playing days. 

Maybe those who answered his boardcasting, don't remember, or don't know, how good of a player he was.

He's kinda like Phil Mickelson in that they both had to deal with a very dominate opponent, Nicklaus and Woods.

Jack was nowhere near as dominant as Tiger, and Johnny was nowhere near the player Phil has been.  Miller had a couple of great years, but basically a mediocre rest of his career for a great golfer.  If you do the match play thing, pairing Miller's years with Phil's, Phil wins easily.

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I struggle to think of the names of any commentators that retired more than five years ago.  For me, and I believe many people, they fade from memory.  The only ones that come to mind, Howard Cosell, Frank Gifford (only because of his connection to Cosell), Vince Scully.

Sports celebrities I can remember a lot of them, too many to list.

By the majority he will mostly be remembered as a golfer.

 

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He wouldn't be where he is now without the playing career. He was an awesome player, out there with Nicholas, Trevino, Player, and the likes. Someone said on here that the competition on the PGA wasn't so hot then. I beg to differ. His commentating is awesome as well. You gotta like the comments, and personality. Tells it like it is. 

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37 minutes ago, Sonoran said:

omeone said on here that the competition on the PGA wasn't so hot then.

Competition in that time period was not as deep as it is now. Its off topic, but it is true. 

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12 hours ago, No Mulligans said:

I struggle to think of the names of any commentators that retired more than five years ago.  For me, and I believe many people, they fade from memory.  The only ones that come to mind, Howard Cosell, Frank Gifford (only because of his connection to Cosell), Vince Scully.

Sports celebrities I can remember a lot of them, too many to list.

By the majority he will mostly be remembered as a golfer.

 

Interesting, you remember a Hall of Fame all time NFL player - but only because of his connection with a broadcaster - and present this as evidence that playing legacy trumps announcing legacy.

I think there is something a little backwards there.

Gifford is actually an excellent example, as except among Giants fans his legacy is MNF and marrying Kathi Lee.  And he was a bigger star, as a player, than Miller ever was.

1 hour ago, Sonoran said:

He wouldn't be where he is now without the playing career. He was an awesome player, out there with Nicholas, Trevino, Player, and the likes. Someone said on here that the competition on the PGA wasn't so hot then. I beg to differ. His commentating is awesome as well. You gotta like the comments, and personality. Tells it like it is. 

He had one great year, one very good year, and a bunch of meh years.  Not even close to the level of Jack, Lee, or Gary.

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12 hours ago, No Mulligans said:

By the majority he will mostly be remembered as a golfer.

In addition to what @turtleback said… the MAJORITY only ever knew him as an announcer.

And you remember more sports celebrities… because there are a lot more of them to remember. There's one Jim Nantz… and he covers hundreds, thousands of actual players. You probably remember a greater percentage of announcers than you do players who ever played.

In fact, that % probably isn't even CLOSE.

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11 minutes ago, Sonoran said:

The equipment wasn't so great then, so that evens things out. Just saying.

No, it doesn't. In fact the opposite is more true.

Not only are players a lot better now, better equipment has further narrowed the gap between the game's best and those a notch or two below them.

Lotta other topics here about that stuff (though you may want to spell Nicklaus like that, and not "Nicholas," to find them).

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I said broadcaster because he called it as honestly as possible. I believe he did not hang out with the player therefore he could do that. Most TV announcers today seem to be afraid of offending a player by not being honest with some  less than quality shots. The 63 he shot to win the US Open was as good a round of golf posted in my time (have played golf for over 60 years) in a Major. Straight ball hit...when players get  that hit it straight get hot with their irons...they knock the pin down. His driver and putter works well for him that day.

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12 hours ago, frank cichon said:

I said broadcaster because he called it as honestly as possible. I believe he did not hang out with the player therefore he could do that. Most TV announcers today seem to be afraid of offending a player by not being honest with some  less than quality shots. The 63 he shot to win the US Open was as good a round of golf posted in my time (have played golf for over 60 years) in a Major. Straight ball hit...when players get  that hit it straight get hot with their irons...they knock the pin down. His driver and putter works well for him that day.

Welcome to the board!  There is lots of great stuff here to explore.  I think you make a great point about Miller not relying on close contacts with the players and thereby not having to temper his honesty to avoid losing sources.

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