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I was fiddling around on the PGA website about the whole "Tee It Forward" thing and they had this chart that said how far you would expect to hit each club based on driver carry distance... I know we have a master thread on distance with each club... here are the percentages... Note this chart only goes down to pitching wedge.... and denotes carry distances not total distance Driver: 100% 3-wood: 90% 5-wood: 84% 4-iron/hybrid: 77% 5-iron: 72% 6-iron: 68% 7-iron: 64% 8-iron: 59% 9-iron: 54% PW. : 49% Do your CARRY distances fall in those lines? Or do you think the PGA of America is pulling hogwash? IMHO, I'm thinking they took these numbers from some Trackman data on tour pros and really did nothing with amateurs... You don't need to really put your distances in, but if you have an example that proves or disproves this it will help...

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In a perfect world it would be pretty close. But I've said this before I am all over the place with every club until I get to the putter, Game Golf confirmed it. I think you have to get to a point of consistency only elite golfers get to before it rings true. On the range with FlightScope I am pretty consistent but it's perfect lies, no pressure and easy targets. On the course it all goes out the window. The difference between my best drive and worst on any day is about 100 yards +/-. It's gets to be less as the clubs get shorter but the inconsistency is there. Most shots will fall in a somewhat tighter pattern but my miss with irons is a circle about 30 yards in circumference with 7-PW and slightly larger with 5/6..

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Tee it forward seems to indicate that I should be playing 6200-6400 yards. I think this is pretty accurate.

Driver 100%

3i- 80.6% (estimate)

4i- 76.6% (estimate)

5i- 72.6% (estimate)

6i- 68.5%

7i- 64.5%

8i- 60.5%

9i- 56.4%

PW 51.2%

52 degree- 40.3%

60 degree- 36.3%

My irons appear to be stronger than my current driver.

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Maybe more golfers will be realistic if using Game Golf, Arccos and whatever else comes around becomes popular. Won't be a guess anymore. Just looking at GG profiles only the better golfers have consistent gaps if they have enough rounds posted to show a pattern. I've seen a bunch of guys where their average starts declining when the irons get longer than 7 or so.

Dave :-)

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Maybe more golfers will be realistic if using Game Golf, Arccos and whatever else comes around becomes popular. Won't be a guess anymore. Just looking at GG profiles only the better golfers have consistent gaps if they have enough rounds posted to show a pattern. I've seen a bunch of guys where their average starts declining when the irons get longer than 7 or so.


GG only has total distances, and only if you remember to tap.

I also noticed that most tee shots are slightly downhill.

Trakman and GC2 have carry on flat ground. I trust those more at this point.

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My irons in comparison to my Driver last year anyway were a little shorter than the percentages in the mid and long irons and long in the short... I was driving carry distance around 250 which if my math is right should be around a 193 carry with my 4-iron... my total was around 195 so my carry was probably 185 or so... and about 175 with the 5-iron, 6 carry 165, 7-PW was on or over, 158, 148, 135, 125.... carry, totals where higher in the longer irons but carry was less

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GG only has total distances, and only if you remember to tap.

I also noticed that most tee shots are slightly downhill.

Trakman and GC2 have carry on flat ground. I trust those more at this point.


The variances in the averages is more what I was getting at. Because unless you are very skilled you aren't carrying the ball the same distance with every shot either. Because of that and golfer's tendencies to overestimate I think charts like that are useless. You can't take Trackman on the course easily but something like GG can give golfers a dose of reality. I am certain when I get enough shots logged my total averages will be less than I think they are.

Dave :-)

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What the hell is GameGolf?

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What the hell is GameGolf?

It's a system to track shot distances by club via a GPS sensor

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It's a system to track shot distances by club via a GPS sensor

Oh ok... that's what I was thinking it was... But it only does total distances?

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Ball: 2022 :callaway: Chrome Soft Triple Track

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I (3-PW) :callaway: Apex 21 UST Recoil 95 (3), Recoil 110 (4-PW). Wedges: :callaway: Jaws Raw 50°, 54°, 60° UST Recoil 110

Putter: :odyssey: Tri-Hot 5K Triple Wide 35”

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My irons in comparison to my Driver last year anyway were a little shorter than the percentages in the mid and long irons and long in the short...

I was driving carry distance around 250 which if my math is right should be around a 193 carry with my 4-iron... my total was around 195 so my carry was probably 185 or so... and about 175 with the 5-iron, 6 carry 165, 7-PW was on or over, 158, 148, 135, 125.... carry, totals where higher in the longer irons but carry was less

Yeah, I listed my reasonable shot distances and not my real average distances to avoid skewing the data, and the results correlate really well.

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GG only has total distances, and only if you remember to tap.

I also noticed that most tee shots are slightly downhill.

Trakman and GC2 have carry on flat ground. I trust those more at this point.

The variances in the averages is more what I was getting at. Because unless you are very skilled you aren't carrying the ball the same distance with every shot either. Because of that and golfer's tendencies to overestimate I think charts like that are useless. You can't take Trackman on the course easily but something like GG can give golfers a dose of reality. I am certain when I get enough shots logged my total averages will be less than I think they are.

For the purposes of this test, you want the normal good shot not average because it is pretty rare to do really bad things with your PW. At least for me it is.

For example, I listed my current carry distance as 248 yards, whereas my average distance is only about 225 because I was hitting shots all over the place. My irons didn't lose anything close to 40% of their distances, while my driver hitting a tree or other object easily does. The last week or so it was possibly closer to 240 yards total distance because I was more consistent. My duck hook still went over 230 yards or more with the roll on the hard pan. I mishit a lot of shots, but they were not as costly with a steel shaft. I just felt an uncomfortable "wobble" on a mishit.

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It's a system to track shot distances by club via a GPS sensor

Oh ok... that's what I was thinking it was...

But it only does total distances?

Yes, I have a friend who has one and was tracking our distances all last week.

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Now that I've been hitting balls into the net... I wish I had a LM lol not that I can afford one...

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Ball: 2022 :callaway: Chrome Soft Triple Track

Driver: :callaway:Paradym Triple Diamond 8° MCA Kai’li 70s FW: :callaway:Paradym Triple Diamond  H: :callaway: Apex Pro 21 20°

I (3-PW) :callaway: Apex 21 UST Recoil 95 (3), Recoil 110 (4-PW). Wedges: :callaway: Jaws Raw 50°, 54°, 60° UST Recoil 110

Putter: :odyssey: Tri-Hot 5K Triple Wide 35”

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The clubs I use are in my sig.  Except for the woods, GW, SW, and LW, everything else is from the starter set I bought in 2006 or so.  Distances, though, are not carry, but total because I don't know my carry distances.

D 100%
3W 92%
5W 80%
4H 72%
5I 68%
6I 64%
7I 60%
8I 59%
9I 52%
PW 44%
52* 40%
56* 32%
60* 28%

Christian

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For the purposes of this test, you want the normal good shot not average because it is pretty rare to do really bad things with your PW. At least for me it is.

I consider it potential vs reality. In controlled situations, the range, you will perform better. When you see pros on the range hitting near perfect shot after shot they don't always go out and do it on the course. For hacks the margin or error is more. Your on course averages are your reality if you carry 20 yards less in playing conditions you should expect that to be the norm. There has never been a standard for range averages because it's too controlled. Look at the GG profiles of the better players here. You have to get to a very high level before you have consistent performance gaps between clubs.

Dave :-)

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D:   100%
3w:  93%
2h:  83%
4i:  77%
5i:  72%
6i:  67%
7i:  62%
8i:  57%
9i:  53%
pw: 47%
sw: 40%
lw:  33%

Mine are kinda close. Do the percentages mean anything?

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im not close.  because i tend to flip, my short irons are woefully short.  the long irons are decent, and about where the percentages say they should be, but my 7-PW, lol its ugly.

Colin P.

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3W (15.5): 92%

3H (19.0): 79%

4I (23): 73%

5I (27): 69%

6I (30): 66%

7I (34): 62%

8I (38): 58%

9I (42): 54%

PW (46): 50%

Looks like to me you gain 4% distance with a 4 degree decrease in loft and a 0.5 inch increase in overall club length.

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I consider it potential vs reality. In controlled situations, the range, you will perform better. When you see pros on the range hitting near perfect shot after shot they don't always go out and do it on the course. For hacks the margin or error is more. Your on course averages are your reality if you carry 20 yards less in playing conditions you should expect that to be the norm. There has never been a standard for range averages because it's too controlled. Look at the GG profiles of the better players here. You have to get to a very high level before you have consistent performance gaps between clubs.

I don't want this to become a GG thread, but it doesn't factor in conditions, so it's not exactly the best thing to measure carry distance. For example, if you played a certain course all the time and had and uphill par 3 that you hit the same club to each time, the average distance on that club is going to come out slightly shorter than it really is. Same thing if you have a downhill approach, wind, slope at your landing spot, etc. I still believe the best way to get your carry distance is on the range, preferrably with a launch monitor.

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