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Your Equipment Probably Isn't Specced Correctly

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54 minutes ago, onthehunt526 said:

Do you think custom-built is better or custom-fit?

What exactly is the difference? Both should be "to spec" so if either is off, somebody messed something up.

Whether I order a set of clubs with X specifications from PING or buy them off the rack from a shop and have them modify it to X specifications, I'm getting a set of clubs at X specifications either way.

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2 hours ago, onthehunt526 said:

But let me ask you specifically, do you think if you took 5 identical Taylormade 7-irons off the rack, for example, and checked their lie angle, loft angle, swingweight, gross weight, etc. In your opinion do you think they would spec out exactly the same?

Funny answer: 100% chance, because if they're actually "identical" then they would be "exactly" the same. Otherwise, they wouldn't be identical.

Real answer: Depends on your definition of "exactly."

1 hour ago, billchao said:

What exactly is the difference? Both should be "to spec" so if either is off, somebody messed something up.

Whether I order a set of clubs with X specifications from PING or buy them off the rack from a shop and have them modify it to X specifications, I'm getting a set of clubs at X specifications either way.

That.

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3 hours ago, iacas said:

Real answer: Depends on your definition of "exactly."

Chances of all 5 M6 7-irons have the following specs as listed by Taylormade.

Loft: 28.5° (+/- 1°)

Lie: 63° (+/- 1°)

Length: 37.50" (+/- .0625")

Swingweight: D1 (+/- .5)

Offset: 3.9mm

The chances of all 5 7-irons having these exact off the rack specs. Zero. 

Chances of all 5 7-irons being within the manufacturing tolerances listed in parentheses. I don't know I don't have a Mitchell digital lie and loft machine or a Green Machine (TM) handy.

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I'm still waiting for some numbers and actual measurements to back up these statements. You claimed these were facts and that you could prove it. Wherevis the evidence? 

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14 hours ago, iacas said:

You don't know that.

Ok maybe not zero, but it's most likely not 100%

 

12 hours ago, Zeph said:

I'm still waiting for some numbers and actual measurements to back up these statements. You claimed these were facts and that you could prove it. Wherevis the evidence? 

Check this video out. 

The object club here is a a Taylormade RSI1 7-iron, which standard specs are 30.5° loft, and 63° lie. This is exhibit A.

Exhibit B:

Watch from 4:10-5:40, where with Lee's P790 irons his swingweights should be higher than what their actual swingweight is.

Exhibit 😄 Robin Matthews-Williams Orka fitting lies and lofts of his 3, 4, and 5 irons measured against standard.

Watch from 1:00-3:00 where Adam measures Robin's lofts and lies.

Exhibit D) More on drivers, however, same premise from Tom Wishon using a Green Machine using a calibration club as a reference.

https://wishongolf.com/wp-content/upl...el-drivers.pdf

Now Tom is a respected clubmaker, this article is a good read, and supports the fact that clubs are out of spec those this is with drivers.

 

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Always think about the source of what you are watching. These guys entire business model rely on the idea that OEM mass produced clubs are bad. I will just tell you from watching that video of him measuring the 7 iron, there are some big issues and it's not with the 7 iron. First off anyone who just throws a club in a gauge willy nilly and takes a measurement doesn't know what they are doing or is trying to do something shady. I spend at least 30 seconds to a minute per club making sure it's centered and level in the machine. You can't just throw it in there and expect it to sit correctly.

Second, although the view of the clamp is not great, and that very well may be on purpose, that 7 iron looks definitively toe down, so I'm not surprised that the lie read comes out at some crazy upright number. This video is shady.

If you want to see a couple measurement videos, here are two I've done so far looking at exactly this in relation to drivers. That being how close are they to spec. I will be honest, I went into it assuming that they would be pretty far off.

 

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Isn't all to to simply just say: go test your equipment on a launch monitor?  Hit until you find what feels right to you and gets the carry numbers you want.  I don't get fussed about shafts, shaft length, weight, etc etc.  Just play what feels right and gets what you're looking for.

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1 hour ago, onthehunt526 said:

Ok maybe not zero, but it's most likely not 100%

 

Check this video out. 

The object club here is a a Taylormade RSI1 7-iron, which standard specs are 30.5° loft, and 63° lie. This is exhibit A.

Exhibit B:

Watch from 4:10-5:40, where with Lee's P790 irons his swingweights should be higher than what their actual swingweight is.

Exhibit 😄 Robin Matthews-Williams Orka fitting lies and lofts of his 3, 4, and 5 irons measured against standard.

Watch from 1:00-3:00 where Adam measures Robin's lofts and lies.

Exhibit D) More on drivers, however, same premise from Tom Wishon using a Green Machine using a calibration club as a reference.

https://wishongolf.com/wp-content/upl...el-drivers.pdf

Now Tom is a respected clubmaker, this article is a good read, and supports the fact that clubs are out of spec those this is with drivers.

 

A man gets fitted for a driver. He orders it and takes it to the course. Three rounds later his friends comment on how amazing his drives are. He agrees and says it’s the best he’s ever hit a driver and loves it. He then gets a call from the builder and he apologizes and says he sent a club with wrong specs, a mix up. 

I’m guessing you send it back?

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