"Full Swing" Tour Docuseries on Netflix

[saevel25]

19 hours ago, Elmer said:

here is the thing, he sold his soul to get money, so his kids never have to work a day in their life.

People do a lot of things for the sake of family. You could easily imagine a scenario where a pacifist would kill a person who is trying to kill their family. Human morality is a very flexible thing. Friends and family definitely can shift how a person would choose to act versus any other situation. We would easily walk past a crying child, yet if it was our child we would rush over and help. 

Not saying what he did was the ethically right thing to do, what he did was 100% a human thing. I can on one hand think that person made the wrong choice and that the people running the LIV Tour are not good human beings, and on the other hand understand why that person would take the money. 

19 hours ago, Elmer said:

However the fact that he prioritized this wealth from this regime, shows he has no principles. 

He doesn't have the level of principles you want him to have. Principles in a spectrum. There are religious people who think living certain lifestyles means that person doesn't have principles. Yet, those people could be way more Christian in their daily life than the ones who judge them. It is complicated. 

Just because someone made ONE choice, doesn't mean they do not have principles. People are allowed to make mistakes. 

19 hours ago, Elmer said:

If he had sold one of his kids to be beheaded for generational wealth, would we say he is doing for his family?
And where does it end?

why did you go to the extreme here? This is not even close to what he did. 

Still, to just counter that point a bit. Is it evil for a husband to sign off on a legal abortion because it saves the wife during a pregnancy gone wrong? The husband is forced to make a choice of giving up one life to save another. Is his violating some principle here? The husband could say that his already 3 kids need to have their mom. 

19 hours ago, Elmer said:

He is just teaching his kids that it doesn't matter where the money comes from, as long as they get to keep our second home and private jet.   

I could easily say that he is teaching his kids that you put family first and that means you may have to sacrifice in many ways and put up with other people's opinions of you for a while. 

No, it means that his kids and their potential families are financially secure. That is a powerful incentive. 

19 hours ago, Elmer said:

Show me the parent who needs that money and turns it down on principle. And that parent will raise kids who will change the world!

Nah, not buying this statement. 

There are horrible humans who come from great families, and great people who comes from horrible families. 

19 hours ago, Elmer said:

Of the few people I have met who came from generational wealth, none of them had any or all of:  work ethic, integrity, empathy, charity or honorability. They just want to ensure their life style was never interrupted!

How many have you met? Just curious of the small percentage of the wealthy you met that makes it so you can justify generalizing like that. 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

The Sackler's were just trying to provide generational wealth. So I guess it was OK doing what they did. 

[klineka]

11 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

The Sackler's were just trying to provide generational wealth. So I guess it was OK doing what they did. 

What does this even mean?

 

Still waiting for you to explain which specific parts of the series in your opinion show that Scheffler has more of a personality than you thought.

[ChetlovesMer]

22 hours ago, jmanbooyaa said:

I am not sure I agree with the take that is is bad to want to leave your family generational wealth. What is the saying the child doesn’t represent the sins of the father. If they truly ruined their legacy for the betterment of the family. Than i cannot fault him. But own it. Take the heat and all that comes with the decision. 

I think they may have been contractually "required" to say certain things. At least in the beginning. I seem to remember how funny it was that at first every interview with any of the guys who left sounded exactly the same. Remember the "I'm doing this to grow the game." comment? I think they were either heavily coached on what to say, or literally required to respond certain ways in their contracts. 

Having typed that. In all honestly they don't owe me anything in terms of how they respond to questions or criticism. They can respond how they want and I can choose to believe them, not believe them, like them for it, dislike them for it. At the end of the day they were given (or created for themselves) an opportunity and they could choose what to do based on what they feel is best. However, they choose to define "best". 

19 hours ago, Elmer said:

Of the few people I have met who came from generational wealth, none of them had any or all of:  work ethic, integrity, empathy, charity or honorability. They just want to ensure their life style was never interrupted!

I think you're being unfair here. 
I know 2 people who come from ridiculously rich families... I'm talking super-duper rich families. Both of them are very hard working. They both give tons of their time and their treasure to charity. 

Of course I know some spoiled kids too. But none of them are "bad people". 
Seriously, the worst person I know, the laziest, lowest morals, least trustworthy, most likely to steal person, I know came from a lower-middle-class household. ... But, his sister is a perfectly fine, functioning member of society. Pays her taxes and everything. 

I think studies have shown time and time again that bad people come from all social economic levels of society. The same is true of "good people", however you want to define good and bad. 

[Elmer]

51 minutes ago, ChetlovesMer said:

I think you're being unfair here. 
I know 2 people who come from ridiculously rich families... I'm talking super-duper rich families. Both of them are very hard working. They both give tons of their time and their treasure to charity. 

I know a few. I dont think they are bad in that they are the devil. However the ones I know were born on 3rd and think they hit a triple.
They are very much the "pull yourself up by the bootstrap" mind set.
And yet they have no-show jobs.

I see the filthy rich when they come to town for track season.  Someone once said "you can tell a lot about a person based on how they treat others", and I can tell you how they treat the locals at the track, the restaurant and golf courses
 

But this is pushing too much off topic.
Like any other athlete, golfers are allowed to take the big contract
I hope the LIV guys do something with their new found wealth. However I think Poulter will just buy more flashy pants. 

[ChetlovesMer]

23 minutes ago, Elmer said:

I hope the LIV guys do something with their new found wealth. However I think Poulter will just buy more flashy pants. 

I seriously doubt that he'll spend it all on pants... I mean, come on, he'll only spend half on pants... The other half on shoes. 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

1 hour ago, klineka said:

What does this even mean?

 

Still waiting for you to explain which specific parts of the series in your opinion show that Scheffler has more of a personality than you thought.

Sacklers? GIYF

My perception of Scheffler, it's a gut instinct skill that I've refined over a lifetime and has generally proven to be right. It's hard to explain especially in an internet forum. 

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Elmer said:

I know a few. I dont think they are bad in that they are the devil. However the ones I know were born on 3rd and think they hit a triple.
They are very much the "pull yourself up by the bootstrap" mind set.
And yet they have no-show jobs.

I see the filthy rich when they come to town for track season.  Someone once said "you can tell a lot about a person based on how they treat others", and I can tell you how they treat the locals at the track, the restaurant and golf courses

But this is pushing too much off topic.
Like any other athlete, golfers are allowed to take the big contract
I hope the LIV guys do something with their new found wealth. However I think Poulter will just buy more flashy pants. 

Wow, generalize much?

[BlackDiamondPar5]

68% of the world's wealthiest came from humble beginnings.

 

People that have to problem solve and be inventive to accomplish a task are typically way more resourceful than someone that just buys it.

 

For instance, when I was an engineering manager and hiring new mechanical engineers, if a candidate came from an agriculture background, especially if they worked a family farm growing up, they automatically got extra points for interview scoring. Why? Because they had to get a job done with what they had on hand and fixed the equipment themselves. I found they were generally more creative, skilled and productive with a better work ethic than their peers. 

 

When Poulter says he's doing this for his family, he's being disingenuous. Without taking blood money from the Saudi government they were already set for life. 

[klineka]

2 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

My perception of Scheffler, it's a gut instinct skill that I've refined over a lifetime and has generally proven to be right. It's hard to explain especially in an internet forum. 

That doesn't really answer my question though.

You stated that as a result of him being on the show you now think he has more of a personality, and when I asked what specific things they showed about him on the show led you to think that you stated that it's just a gut instinct skill?? 

I'm asking you to explain what specific scenes or conversations or activities did he do in the show that now makes you think he has more of a personality.

I'm only really asking too because in my opinion after this show he seems to have even less personality and be more vanilla than I thought, so I'm curious how you came to the opposite conclusion.

[DeadMan]

I finished the season over the weekend. Overall, I thought it was good, but not great. I'm interested to see where they take the second season.

Definitely a bigger fan of Tony Finau, Joel Dahmen, and Sahith after their episodes. Finau's family looks awesome, and I loved his wife. He seems like a good guy, and I guy would be really interested in talking to for a while. Dahmen's backstory, which I knew a little about beforehand, was really interesting. Sahith's family's energy was great. I'm rooting for him on tour.

The one thing that was weird was that they played up Tony getting criticized for having his family travel with him. That is not a narrative I've ever heard. The Finaus must have heard it, because they talked about it a lot, but I don't know where it was coming from. 

I'm not sure how much I moved on Fitzpatrick after the episode. I was always pretty meh on him, but I think I'm more in the fan category now than before. It probably helps that he was contrasting with DJ, who I definitely lost respect for. 

I wish I didn't know about Mito going to LIV during his episode. I think I would have been more bought into it without knowing that. Oh well.

I do think the Rory episode was a bit of a miss. I feel like they didn't have the access they needed for a really good story for him. The British Open was the biggest thing that happened to him on the course this past year, and I feel like they needed more behind-the-scenes footage to make that story more interesting. Making winning the FedEx Cup his redemption for the Open is pretty laughable for golf fans. I'm sure it's a big deal to Rory, but it's not close to winning the British Open at St. Andrews. Again, though, this isn't aimed at hardcore golf fans, so not everyone will pick out this issue.

Overall, I enjoyed the series. I think it exceeded my expectations, but more because my expectations were pretty low after initial reviews. There are definitely ways they can improve this, and I'm hoping they do it for the second season.

[jmanbooyaa]

I think the addition of Liv players really made Netflix pivot on what they initially wanted to show. Rory was a late addition to access. He simply didn’t want any of his family involved. I can respect that. 

[pganapathy]

On 2/24/2023 at 10:48 PM, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

When Poulter says he's doing this for his family, he's being disingenuous. Without taking blood money from the Saudi government they were already set for life. 

The value of generational wealth is very dependent on the individual/s in question.  For a family surviving on 5 dollars a day, a million dollars is generational wealth.  For Michael Jordan, that is an amount he might win or lose in a night at the casino and not bat an eyelid.  How can you define what Poulter had as generational wealth if you don't know how he and his family valued the money they had 🤷‍♀️

[ShawnQ]

About time we get to see some personality in golf. That along with primetime TV are the two things PGA is lacking.

[klineka]

20 minutes ago, ShawnQ said:

About time we get to see some personality in golf. That along with primetime TV are the two things PGA is lacking.

A good number of the PGA tour events are in the Eastern Timezone, how exactly do you propose they do primetime TV when it's dark out?

Doesn't really seem feasible to have holes lit for night play every week on tour, plus primetime would make golf compete with a number of other shows, sports, etc which might actually result in a lower number of viewers vs. where it's at right now. 

They do show golf in primetime when the schedule permits (West coast tournaments, Hawaii, etc)

Also primetime TV for you in Arizona would be 10PM on the east coast so that's also extremely unlikely to ever happen for normal PGA events.

 

Also, IMO this show didn't do much to me in terms of showing off personalities that I didn't already know about. (Although I do probably know more about most PGA tour players than the average fan based on how much content I consume)

This series didn't change my thoughts on the personalities of Spieth, JT, Poulter, DJ, Scheffler, Finau, Fitzpatrick, Rory, Morikawa, Dahmen, etc. Each of those guys acted and said about what I would have expected them to do/say based on what I know about them already. It was already widely known that Finau is a family man, that Spieth and JT are great friends, DJ made his decision for the money, Fitzpatrick is highly analytical, etc.

How in your opinion did this show more personality in golf that was lacking prior to this show? 

Edited February 27, 2023 by klineka

[iacas]

[CrashTestDummy]

Full Swing is interesting show. It is cool to see behind the ropes and actually see is behind the scenes on the PGA Tour. 

What is not talked about much is the The Turn which is the PGA Tour docuseries. There are 7 episodes. Not sure if the PGA Tour marketed it much which is why it doesn't have much buzz around it like Full Swing, but it is a good watch as well. It follows Wesley Bryan, Austin Eckroat, Harrison Endycott, and Ryan Palmer. 

 

The Turn - PGA TOUR

 

[snapfade]

Joel Dahmen was a guy off my radar, the Netflix series introduced me to him, then I quickly forgot about him again. He did win in 2021 but still he was not a household name by any means. Then he's "famous" because of Netflix, now he can't suffer in silence. Lot of middle of the pack guys no one cares about and if they have a bad season or a few months the general population doesn't take notice.  The only thing I took from it was Ian Poulter has boat load of plaid pants.