NFL 2022-23 Season

[Big Lex]

21 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

To me, this tells me the guy had no regard for his safety or the safety of the other player. 

Come on, he made no attempt to go low. He intended to hit the player, leading with his helmet, chest height or above. If he intended to hit waist height, he missed his mark by such a large margin the I wonder if he ever trained in tackling before in his life, 

 

 

Yeah, still …!Again, it’s happening very fast. The defender is I assume reacting to where he sees the ball going at first. Maybe he only sees the receiver at the end. The receiver is crouched a little here. 
Yes, maybe it was an intentional, dirty hit. But I am not sure and wouldn’t be condemning the defender without asking him about it. It’s a dangerous game, and we are much wiser to enjoy it as spectators than as participants)

[saevel25]

9 hours ago, Big Lex said:

Yeah, still …!Again, it’s happening very fast. The defender is I assume reacting to where he sees the ball going at first. Maybe he only sees the receiver at the end. The receiver is crouched a little here. 
Yes, maybe it was an intentional, dirty hit. But I am not sure and wouldn’t be condemning the defender without asking him about it. It’s a dangerous game, and we are much wiser to enjoy it as spectators than as participants)

Dirty hits do not have to be with the intent to do harm. Just being poor in technique is a dirty play because it can cause harm versus being technically sound. 

Bosa for the 49ers. He is now practicing how to sack a QB with out landing on top of them so he does get called for a roughing the passer. As an athlete, he is improving on a technique that is now required due to how the rules are being enforced. He is doing his job at a high level. That DB, he just wanted to blast someone. He wasn't trying to tackle. He was trying to hit someone. 

[Big Lex]

@saevel25, that's an excellent point about intent being essentially irrelevant. If the primary goal is to avoid serious injury, intent has no logical place in defining what type of contact is acceptable. And the language of the new or recent rule on defenseless players, there is no language regarding intent; in fact, even if there is evidence of intent to have avoided the contact, the penalty still applies. However, the prohibited contact is rather strictly defined. It's basically helmet contact in the head/neck area, or helmet contact anywhere if the assailant "launches" himself into the player. In the case of this play we are discussing, I don't think it would have been a penalty if he had hit him below the neck. Even "trying to hurt him" but hitting below the neck would have been "ok," because he didn't "launch" himself into the player. 

But thinking about this has made me wonder about alot of things. Physical intimidation is part of so many sports, even non-contact sports like baseball. Wanting to inflict pain on your opponent, and the converse, being willing to subject yourself to pain in order to score/win, etc., just come with the territory in sports. While there have to be lines drawn (nobody wants head and spinal cord injuries in any sport), when you get down into the weeds with details it becomes difficult to know where to draw them. 

In the end, it's very difficult to avoid serious injury in a game where the players run so fast, where contact is part of the game, and the action happens so quickly. I hope they continue to work on the rules and enforcement, and that players learn ways to still play football and hit and intimidate and so forth, but in a way that avoids serious injury as much as possible. 

 

 

[Vinsk]

Gosh…so awful to see. Hope Hamlin pulls through. CPR on the field….just awful.

Damar Hamlin collapses on field; Bills-Bengals temporarily suspended

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Bills safety Damar Hamlin was taken off the field in an ambulance after receiving treatment for over 10...

 

 

 

Edited January 3, 2023 by Vinsk

[iacas]

Crazy. I saw it on Twitter and flipped it on.

[dennyjones]

They were reporting 9 minutes of CPR.   Hoping he makes a full recovery.   

[CarlSpackler]

I was watching the game when this happened. Praying this young man is ok.

[Elmer]

11 hours ago, iacas said:

Crazy. I saw it on Twitter and flipped it on.

I was watching in real time. Horrific!
Once they got him off the field the ref gave each team 5 mins to warm up. Diggs tried to rally Buffalo, but you could see the players just could not get going.
Good on the coaches for meeting and having their player's backs!
There is no way Buffalo could have been competitive in that game, especially wondering if one of their own was fighting for his life.

[mcanadiens]

14 minutes ago, Elmer said:

Once they got him off the field the ref gave each team 5 mins to warm up. Diggs tried to rally Buffalo, but you could see the players just could not get going.

Gonna be interesting how that part of it unfolds. 

Troy Vincent, the NFL's VP of football operations rather directly denied that. 

Troy Vincent: NFL did not consider giving players five minutes to warm up and continue - ProFootballTalk

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The NFL held a conference call for media members after midnight on Tuesday to discuss events surrounding the decision to postpone Monday night’s game between the Bills and Bengals, following the serious health...

 

[ChetlovesMer]

It's going to be really easy for people to come out and bash the NFL. 

There are lots of witch hunts that have already begun. 
There are those calling for massive reform and/or other extreme measures. 

I'm cutting them a break. Nobody saw this coming. 

Right now I'm just really hoping that Damar Hamlin is going to be okay. 

[iacas]

NFL players' union says there was no discussion of resuming game on Monday night - ProFootballTalk

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After Bills safety Damar Hamlin was taken off the field in an ambulance during Monday night’s game, the NFL’s broadcast partners on ESPN, ESPN Deportes and Westwood One radio all said that the players would...

[iacas]

Tua Tagovailoa still in protocol, to miss Pro Bowl Games, source says

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Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa remains in the concussion protocol and will not participate in next week's Pro Bowl Games, a source told ESPN.

[dennyjones]

1 hour ago, iacas said:

Tua Tagovailoa still in protocol, to miss Pro Bowl Games, source says

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Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa remains in the concussion protocol and will not participate in next week's Pro Bowl Games, a source told ESPN.

I hope he's well enough to continue playing.   I enjoy watching him.   Either way, I only hope the best for him.

[iacas]

25 minutes ago, dennyjones said:

I hope he's well enough to continue playing.

Even if he is… I'm not sure he should.

[iacas]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/01/31/nfl-fear-marques-harris-ray-crockett-daily-cover

They’re the Toughest of the Tough. But When Their NFL Teammates Started Dying, These Men Grew Afraid.

More than 40 current or former pro players aged 50 or younger have fallen since 2021. The number is staggering. But it doesn’t account for their peers’ despair.

[Loose Cannon]

Should be a great Super Bowl for viewers.  Mahomes and the Chiefs are never out of it.  Hurts and his Eagles are playing lights out.  Some are calling it the Reid Bowl.  Chief's coach, Andy Reid, coached quite a few years at the Eagles before coming to KC.  First time two brothers have played against each other in the SB.  Travis Kelce, Chief's record setting tight end, will face his older brother who is the offensive center for the Eagles.

We bleed Chiefs red, out here.  They are not good for this old heart, though, seeming to run every game up until the last seconds to win.  

[Vinsk]

Bank of America tells judge the Brian Davis bank drafts appear "fictitious"

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The process of selling the Commanders is creating far more entertainment than anything the team has done in recent...

Well this is getting more interesting….