I Love Charley Hull Now and Agree With Her Completely

[jxdama]

Its way past time both tours  have  major  penalties for  slow  play. I  hate  it when they say" This group is  on the  clock". Big damn deal. Issue  penalties. Maybe Hull is a  bit too harsh but  its time a slew  of  2 stroke  penalties start  being  issued.

 

 

Charley Hull is fed up with slow play on the LPGA, so she offered a ‘ruthless’ solution

“I’m quite ruthless, but I said, ‘Listen, if you get three bad timings, every time it’s a tee shot penalty; if you have three of them, you lose your Tour card instantly.’ I’m sure that would hurry a lot of people up, and they won’t want to lose their Tour card. That would kill the slow play, but they would never do that.”

Who knows if that will work. But if it does not, maybe the PGA Tour should adopt Hull’s idea. The LPGA should, too, or at least assess penalty strokes for slow play. Five-hour rounds for a final group on Sunday is unacceptable and a quick way to lose interest and engagement from fans.

Edited Monday at 08:42 PM by jxdama

[dennyjones]

I believe that losing a tour card is too extreme but definitely agree that more needs to be done to prevent slow play.

[jxdama]

47 minutes ago, dennyjones said:

I believe that losing a tour card is too extreme but definitely agree that more needs to be done to prevent slow play.

TV ratings  continue to drop. Stop the endless wiggles and waggles.

[bkuehn1952]

I agree with @dennyjones, a suspension of some meaningful duration would be better than getting bounced from the Tour. They might consider experimenting each week. It might generate a bit of interest. I like the idea of a visible shot clock. If a player and their caddy can’t decide on a strategy and pull the trigger in XX seconds (30? 45? 60?), one stroke penalty. Give each player 2 resets a round. The clock starts when the last player to hit’s ball stops moving.

Other pace ideas could be used every couple events until a consensus is reached to adopt or ditch an idea.

[jxdama]

7 hours ago, bkuehn1952 said:

I agree with @dennyjones, a suspension of some meaningful duration would be better than getting bounced from the Tour. They might consider experimenting each week. It might generate a bit of interest. I like the idea of a visible shot clock. If a player and their caddy can’t decide on a strategy and pull the trigger in XX seconds (30? 45? 60?), one stroke penalty. Give each player 2 resets a round. The clock starts when the last player to hit’s ball stops moving.

Other pace ideas could be used every couple events until a consensus is reached to adopt or ditch an idea.

They need to do something to speed  up play. They could randomly  time  players. One  idea would  be  if a group gets  out  of  position they are disqualified. If its a group of  3 and  its  1 player playing like  molasses i can imagine an exciting interaction, lol

[p1n9183]

Just add new stats of speed of play to the tour.

• Average time to hit a shot
• Number of shots per round the player took more than 40 seconds to play a shot
• Number of times under the clock
• Numbers of warnings per round for slow play
• Number of penalty strokes per round for slow play 
• Number of times the player took a WC break.
• Time spend on the WC 
• Number of times the player don't know basic rules and have to call for a rules official 
• Walking average speed
• Time spend reading yardage books
• Time spend arguing with the caddie about hitting an impossible shot. 
• Average time looking for a ball beyond 3 minutes. 
• Average time looking for balls on the hazards despite been in the middle of the fairway

An a lot more that can give the committee enough information to award penalties after a round, tournament or even a season.
Imagine a ruling were a player is awarded to play all April with 1 shot penalty each round because of slow play in March, should be a shit show I would love to see. 

[ChetlovesMer]

In truth, while watching the tournament the slow play doesn't bother me. I'm usually dipping in and out anyway. I'm working on other things. It's sort of on in the background. So it only affects the time at which the whole thing ends. Having typed that, I am totally on board with making severe penalties for slow play. 

While slow play on TV doesn't bother me directly. I know that time is valuable for everyone. What I'd be more worried about is ratings: If we look at baseball for example. As the time per game grew the ratings plummeted. In the 70's and early 80's baseball World Series would get close to a 30 share and the games would be just over 2 hours. In the mid 2010's, games were 4 hours and the World Series share was often below a 6. Obviously there are other factors in play, but slowing the game down has to be considered. To Baseball's credit, they've recognized it as an issue and have been steadily shortening the length of games over the last couple of years. 

The other thing that I worry about is the folks I see at the local muni who basically imitate what they see on the tour. ... Ugh...

[colin007]

Probably the only thing I'll ever agree with her on

[jxdama]

7 hours ago, p1n9183 said:

Just add new stats of speed of play to the tour.

• Average time to hit a shot
• Number of shots per round the player took more than 40 seconds to play a shot
• Number of times under the clock
• Numbers of warnings per round for slow play
• Number of penalty strokes per round for slow play 
• Number of times the player took a WC break.
• Time spend on the WC 
• Number of times the player don't know basic rules and have to call for a rules official 
• Walking average speed
• Time spend reading yardage books
• Time spend arguing with the caddie about hitting an impossible shot. 
• Average time looking for a ball beyond 3 minutes. 
• Average time looking for balls on the hazards despite been in the middle of the fairway

An a lot more that can give the committee enough information to award penalties after a round, tournament or even a season.
Imagine a ruling were a player is awarded to play all April with 1 shot penalty each round because of slow play in March, should be a shit show I would love to see. 

Very good

[jxdama]

MSN

Glover expressed his dissatisfaction with what he termed as 'cool kid meetings' between Jordan Spieth, Patrick Cantlay, Tiger Woods and other high-profile golfers. "I think it's terrible," he stated. "And then hiding behind pace of play, I think, challenges our intelligence. They think we're stupid.

 

 

"Don't cut fields because it's a pace of play issue. Tell us to play faster, or just say you're trying to appease six guys and make them happy so they don't go somewhere else and play golf."

Fitzpatrick joined the conversation on X (formerly Twitter), with the 30-year-old echoing Glover's sentiments regarding the PGA Tour changes. "He's so right," Fitzpatrick posted. "Pathetic that pace of play is spoken about every year and nothing ever gets done."

 

 

I agree. Instead of  penalizing  players for  turtle  play they appease the  slow jerks  by  cutting the  fields. They will play even slower  knowing they will NEVER be  penalized.

[iacas]

2 hours ago, jxdama said:

I agree. Instead of  penalizing  players for  turtle  play they appease the  slow jerks  by  cutting the  fields. They will play even slower  knowing they will NEVER be  penalized.

And yet, for those watching on TV, pace of play doesn't matter too much.

If the players want the pace of play to be faster, they'll do it. They're the ones who create the policies for pace of play, and the rules officials aren't the bosses - the players effectively are.