Jack vs. Tiger: Who's the Greatest Golfer?

[onthehunt526]

5 hours ago, turtleback said:

I just watched the 2000 PGA Championship playoff where Bob May gifted the win to Tiger.

How? You call making 3 pars gifting the PGA  to Tiger? Tiger had to scramble for his 2 pars. But the birdie he made on 16. No he went and got that one... literally.

[turtleback]

14 minutes ago, onthehunt526 said:

How? You call making 3 pars gifting the PGA  to Tiger? Tiger had to scramble for his 2 pars. But the birdie he made on 16. No he went and got that one... literally.

Better get your facetious meter re-calibrated. 😉 This was a take off on the silly idea that DeMarco gifted the 2005 Masters to Tiger.  😄

Edited May 17, 2021 by turtleback

[onthehunt526]

1 minute ago, turtleback said:

Better get your facetious meter re-calibrated. 😉 This was a take off on the silly idea that DeMarco gifted the 2005 Masters to Tiger.  😄

DiMarco totally gifted the ‘05 Masters to Tiger... on the second nine of the third round Sunday morning... and yeah that chip on the 72nd hole so should have went in. 😀

[turtleback]

13 minutes ago, onthehunt526 said:

DiMarco totally gifted the ‘05 Masters to Tiger... on the second nine of the third round Sunday morning... and yeah that chip on the 72nd hole so should have went in. 😀

LOL

The whole field gifted Tiger the 2000 US Open and then did it again at the 2000 British Open.

Edited May 18, 2021 by turtleback

[Vinsk]

15 minutes ago, turtleback said:

LOL

The whole field gifted Tiger the 2000 US Open and then did it again at the 2000 British Open.

Yep. Jack was never so lucky to be gifted a major. Those club pros gave him their best every tournament in the early years! 

[khalespace]

In every sport better training technologies and more participation has resulted in much better athletes.  In sports that performance can be measured athletes today are miles ahead. I don't see why golf is any difference. Golf is much more competitive now compared to the 70s and 80s. Tiger is much better than Jack.

[Vinsk]

22 minutes ago, khalespace said:

In every sport better training technologies and more participation has resulted in much better athletes.  In sports that performance can be measured athletes today are miles ahead. I don't see why golf is any difference. Golf is much more competitive now compared to the 70s and 80s. Tiger is much better than Jack.

I agree. I think people forget that fact. It’s not a slam or derogatory to Jack. It’s just the way it is. The fields today are vastly more difficult every generation..hell, every year. If a guy ran a mile in 4min around an asphalt track compared to a guy who ran it in 5min but with hills, mud, water …the Jack side would say the better runner is the 4min. They completely disregard the important factors on the accomplishment.

15>18. Easily.

[Shorty]

I am not sure that I have this right but am pretty certain that at the height of his powers, say 2000, the difference between Tiger and  #2 in the OWGR  was greater than the difference between #2  and #200 in the OWGR.

 

Week 50 2000 

1. Tiger 1323 points

2. Els 617 points

199. Beem 51 points

 

 

Edited May 20, 2021 by Shorty

[turtleback]

18 hours ago, Shorty said:

I am not sure that I have this right but am pretty certain that at the height of his powers, say 2000, the difference between Tiger and  #2 in the OWGR  was greater than the difference between #2  and #200 in the OWGR.

 

Week 50 2000 

1. Tiger 1323 points

2. Els 617 points

199. Beem 51 points

 

 

I just caught a clip of Justin Leonard talking about the Slam.  I haven't verified any of the numbers, but he said Tiger was 71 shots ahead of him in the Slam majors.  Then they said that Leonard had the second fewest bogies in those 4 events with 41.  Of course, Tiger was best with on 23 bogies.  In 291 holes.  On major championship difficult courses.  In the 2 Opens he finished a combined 23 strokes in the lead.

There is no one statistic that can measure this extraordinary achievement.  The only things I can think of that can even be spoken of in the same breath are Secretariat's Triple Crown run and Raphael Nadal's absolute dominance at Roland Garros.

[Vinsk]

38 minutes ago, turtleback said:

The only things I can think of that can even be spoken of in the same breath are Secretariat's Triple Crown run and Raphael Nadal's absolute dominance at Roland Garros.

And Jack winning 18 majors. 🥴. Yeah…party’s over. Jack is maybe a close second to Tiger and that’s being real gracious to Jack.

[csh19792001]

On 5/20/2021 at 5:59 PM, Vinsk said:

And Jack winning 18 majors. 🥴. Yeah…party’s over. Jack is maybe a close second to Tiger and that’s being real gracious to Jack.

Real gracious how? Tiger is clearly the GOAT, but who has a legit/strong case over Nicklaus as #2? And why?

[Vinsk]

18 minutes ago, csh19792001 said:

Real gracious how? Tiger is clearly the GOAT, but who has a legit/strong case over Nicklaus as #2? And why?

I meant ‘close’ second as being gracious. 

[saevel25]

4 hours ago, csh19792001 said:

Real gracious how? Tiger is clearly the GOAT, but who has a legit/strong case over Nicklaus as #2? And why?

No one yet...

If 82x > 73y, giving Tiger first, and I think a clear first. Still, you would need someone from this generation to win probably 60 PGA tour wins, and about 12 majors or so. I think that person has a case to say they could challenge 2nd place. 

No one in the past has the number of wins. Maybe if Sneed had like 100+ wins and 14+ majors. 

[turtleback]

On 6/20/2021 at 12:23 PM, csh19792001 said:

Real gracious how? Tiger is clearly the GOAT, but who has a legit/strong case over Nicklaus as #2? And why?

He meant it was gracious to say Jack is a close second when he really is about as close as Els & Jimenex were at the 2000 US Open.

As to who has a case to be above Jack?  Ben Hogan.

[Birdieputt]

On 5/17/2021 at 6:37 PM, onthehunt526 said:

How? You call making 3 pars gifting the PGA  to Tiger? Tiger had to scramble for his 2 pars. But the birdie he made on 16. No he went and got that one... literally.

I think Tiger has an unimpeachable claim to # 2.

[iacas]

11 minutes ago, Birdieputt said:

I think Tiger has an unimpeachable claim to # 2.

And many think he has an unimpeachable claim to #1.

[Vinsk]

1 hour ago, Birdieputt said:

I think Tiger has an unimpeachable claim to # 2.

If you really let go of the nostalgia and personal ‘likes/dislikes’ of the matter..it’s actually laughable to think Jack is greater than Tiger when using the stats/numbers and facts.

[Shorty]

7 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

If you really let go of the nostalgia and personal ‘likes/dislikes’ of the matter..it’s actually laughable to think Jack is greater than Tiger when using the stats/numbers and facts.

Exactly. We’ve almost got to the point where people leave Walter Hagen and Sam Snead out of these conversations. I think it’s about trying to present yourself as a  someone unconvinced by fads - like the idea that a spring chicken like Tiger could possibly be as good as someone who competed against 20 amateurs a century ago.