The Stack and Tilt Golf Swing

[talismand]

Perhaps your old swing was - as you said (in different words) - simply too sucky to really make a fair assessment?

Yes, I will concede that this is a legitimate possibility.

Wait, your sneakers have two inch thick soles? Huh? Since your arms don't grow two inches then, yes, your fitting would change. The length of the clubs will affect your fitting too.

Ok, the soles are 1.5" and I have 1/2" inserts (it's a running setup, I have bad ankles/shins and it helps). So in essence I should go back with shoes closer to my playing shoes? Just to make sure I'm on the right track though, standing taller WOULD translate to getting fit for more upright clubs (assuming standard length clubs) correct?

S&T requires no changes to a person's club fitting parameters unless they've changed impact so dramatically that it's now different than it once was.

Considering the difference in my results, I would have to think that this is the case. Maybe the best thing would be to get fit two more times, 1 month apart, giving me time to practice more in between, and if the fittings remain fairly consistent then I know its correct.

[iacas]

I suggest getting fit in the clothing and shoes you wear to play golf. On a grass range, ideally, hitting balls... That's what lie boards are for - you can hit balls off of them.

[oregongolfguy]

After almost a year of very little play do to work and two knee surgeries i got out on the range today. After reading most of this thread as well as other research i decided to see if i could work on trying to add some S&T thoughts into my very average,amatuer,fade,push,handsy swing. It took me about 30 balls struck to figure out that i was coming too far from the inside at first....another 20-30 balls to get the hips and weight movement forward working right....but then it started to click. And when it finally started to click i was extremely impressed....I still had the usual consistancy problems, still hit some fat, and thin. But i could feel what i was doing wrong and correct it after i hit a few shots that felt right.....Its going to take some time to get the muscle memory really going but i was very satisfied. My last 3 shots were with my 9i, starting right and drawing back to my aiming point, probably a 5 yd draw, all 3 landing on a mini green at 138yds....I hit a 7i that flew the 165yd green....really amazing. I always considered myself a decent striker distance wise, always thought i made decent contact....but i had no idea until today what truly good contact was.....I am going to get the book tomorrow to help delve deeper into this....

[iacas]

Good article here:
http://onpar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...er=rss&emc;=rss

[wannabe]

Whew! Read this entire thread after a recent video analysis by a local golf pro said I had some natural S&T tendencies in my backswing (one plane, centered). He also pointed out my ott downswing and lack of enough forward weight shift, both things that S&T can remedy.

Great, great info/videos here. Thanks!

I'll be trying these concepts out this week and am excited to do so. Expecting big increases in power/distance (driver goes about 200 now) and ball-striking (eliminate fat/thin).

BTW, anyone noticed the eerie abbreviation similarity between Stack & Tilt and SandTrap (S&T, ST) ???!?!? :D

[Stretch]

Good article here:

Mike and Andy both appear to be enjoying the, uh, face-on view.

[kade33]

Training has benifits I guess

[Green]

Hey, I need some help with fixing my S&T.; On all of my irons and my driver as well, I tend to pop up the ball (at least it looks that way) and the ball drops, without rolling much. I'm not 100% sure how to describe the ball flight, but it starts out to the right and comes back, drawing at the end. For example, on my 7i I'd estimate the ball goes around 145 carry and rolls 5-10 yards after that. Finally, I should mention I'm having the most trouble with my driver (the ball is going way too high). Thanks for any help.

[iacas]

Mike and Andy both appear to be enjoying the, uh, face-on view.

FWIW, Danah Bordner is Steve Bordner's wife, and Steve's a great guy who's in Cleveland, OH who has taught several schools with Mike and Andy.

[Stretch]

FWIW, Danah Bordner is Steve Bordner's wife, and Steve's a great guy who's in Cleveland, OH who has taught several schools with Mike and Andy.

Killjoy.

On a more serious note, the whole peg of the article was the "controversy" aspect, so clearly the writer wanted to select the most inflammatory quotes he could find on both sides. But even as an S&T adherent (is that the right word?) I winced a bit at these.

Asked where the Stack and Tilt will be in 10 years, Plummer answered, “It will be universally accepted.” Bennett added, “It will be the standard procedure for teaching the golf swing.”

[nevets88]

I'm surprised the blog item only got three comments. And anything but inflammatory, very civil. The golfers are out on the course, getting the most out of the remaining summer.

[colin007]

Good article here:

this isnt right, is it? "The Stack and Tilt swing derives its name from an initial backswing move in which the weight is stacked above and over the front leg and the spine is tilted toward the target."

[Beady]

Yes.
The focus of the weight is to maintain it on the front foot. There is no conscious shifting of the weight back. The weight starts with about 55% on the left foot and as you progress through the swing the weight on the left foot increases.

The side tilt towards the target does happen but is offset by the rotation of the shoulders and body.

[Zeph]

"Side tilt towards the target" is kinda misleading if you don't understand what they are talking about. The spine tilts to the left, which of course is towards the target when you are aligned. Due to the rotation however, the side tilt moves progressively from toward the target to toward the ball, or however far your shoulders rotate.
By the time you are fully tilted, you are also fully rotated, which makes you tilted towards the ball.

[iacas]

this isnt right, is it?

In a word, no.

The centers are stacked but it's very slightly forward of the stance center, not over the front foot, and the tilt isn't towards the target but towards the ball at the end of the backswing.

[colin007]

In a word, no.

thats what i thought. a follow up question: at P2, i know that under no circumstances is the clubhead to be inside the hands. but is it ok for it to be outside the hands? or should it be even with the hands (parallel to the target line)? and should that be pretty much over the toe line at that point?

[Zeph]

a follow up question:

It should be even with the hands. IIRC, it is better to be a bit outside than inside, but in line with the hands is what you should aim for.

[colin007]

It should be even with the hands. IIRC, it is better to be a bit outside than inside, but in line with the hands is what you should aim for.

and at that point, it should be directly over the toe line? or farther inside?