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the reason why you are getting beef oneover is because alot of people dont really know how far 320 is. I work with a guy who would tell me that he hits the ball over 300 with his driver. I played golf with him a few times and he has yet to reach 300 or come close really.

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I just measured my first drives last Saturday with my Bushnell Neo. I thought to do it several times during the round. My numbers show how the hole layout can really change the numbers. 1st was a slight downhill 293, 2nd was level to 280, 3rd was uphill (little roll out) 271. My average for the day, however, would have been like 230-40 if I had to guess, due to some poorly hit shots at the beginning of the round (gripping down too far, leading to some nasty hooks). My measured swing speed was right around 100 (no warm-up) so I could see someone hitting it 300+ yards under favorable conditions and a warmed up loose swing.

  VinoGolfer said:
He then went to the PGA website and pulled up some driving distances. Basically, all the other golfers were maintaining their drives bested the best of the PGA.

Not saying they weren't lying... but the driving stats are a couple tee shots per round. That includes drivers, fairway woods, hybrids, irons whatever club they used on those holes. So the average is not 100 attempts at hitting their driver as far as they can. I believe most of those guys could drive 300 with their 'driver' anytime they want.

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Another poster gets slaughtered for his claims of inhuman distance.

I'd have thought by now that most forum users should know better than to post how far they think they hit the ball.

Why do folks feel compelled to come here pounding their chest like king kong whenever they hit a decent drive?
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  Kingfisher said:
Another poster gets slaughtered for his claims of inhuman distance.

They get excited about how far they hit the ball, and have to tell someone. Besides it wouldnt be "cool" to start a post and say "I belted one 245 today".

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Let's face it though. The naysayers are what make these topics explode yet will insist that there is no such thing as jealousy! How many people see a topic about distance claims and just let it lie when they see a dubious claim. People love these topics.

Incidentally my first rangefinder measured drive was 325 a little downhill into a bunker. Certainly not typical but still fun!

  three said:
Not saying they weren't lying... but the driving stats are a couple tee shots per round. That includes drivers, fairway woods, hybrids, irons whatever club they used on those holes.

Correct...

  three said:
So the average is not 100 attempts at hitting their driver as far as they can.

They measure driving distance on the PGA Tour by taking two holes per round, per tournament. These holes are usually par 5's facing in opposite directions to offset the effect of wind. It's not often you see guys teeing off with anything other than driver on par 5's. So, it would be pretty accurate to assume that most shots measured are hit with a driver.

  three said:
I believe most of those guys could drive 300 with their 'driver' anytime they want.

No, they can't. Majority of them CAN hit it 300 yards, but it will depend a lot on the bounce they get upon landing and how much roll they get after that. Being able to carry it 300 yards anytime they want (which there are guys that can) is completely different than being able to hit it 300 because of a good bounce and roll.

This is why people on this forum get beat to death when they start claiming they average anywhere near 300 yards with a driver. It's just not that easy.

I have to say I now believe that most pros can hit the ball 300 yards largely at will. There is no reason if their average is 280 or better say that they can't go all out on a drive should it be required. It literally is at will.

Guys gotta remember atmospheric conditions make a big difference, 1000 metres above sea level the ball goes alot further ........ dead of winter with heavy cold air the ball goes alot shorter ....... there are so many factors let alone ball contact/compression vs swing speed.
Course I play there are about 12 - 15 guys that would all average 270 - 280 metre drives.

If I hit every ball square and straight(ish) yes, they'll all go 300 or longer. "If" doesnt happen all the time. I might get 3 or 4 a round, the rest are duck hooks, tops. Ive found my 2 best rounds were based off of hitting the ball 250 260 down the middle on all 14 holes, maybe 2 long drives.

So, it would be pretty accurate to assume that most shots measured are hit with a driver.

If its not 'all' shots then that will bring the average down. Also there is difference between trying to swing fast as possible for a statistic and trying to land in the center of the fairway for a low score. I believe they pick the latter but how would we ever know.

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  three said:
Also there is difference between trying to swing fast as possible for a statistic and trying to land in the center of the fairway for a low score. I believe they pick the latter but how would we ever know.

It doesn't matter much. The reason why we look to tour averages and other stats is to put into perspective the claims made on forums by those of us who don't have consistent swings. People who claim 300 yard averages are undoubtedly claiming this under actual course conditions, similar to tour pro driving distance averages.

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  bplewis24 said:
It doesn't matter much. The reason why we look to tour averages and other stats is to put into perspective the claims made on forums by those of us who don't have consistent swings. People who claim 300 yard averages are undoubtedly claiming this under actual course conditions, similar to tour pro driving distance averages.

How many players are claiming 300 yard averages? 1? maybe 2? Out of how many thousand members?

I'm sure we've all played with guys who are longer off the tee than we are, even if their tee shots are the only remotely solid part of their game. I don't get the doubters - why do some guys wear their terrible driving stats like a badge of honour? I had the long drive at one scramble this year - for about 10 minutes. Almost every other group had a name on there by the time someone won it.

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I love how we got this discussion again, after a guy posted that he hit a single drive a bit over 313 yards, measured with a GPS. I'm one of the most skeptical of the claims of 300 yard average carries, but come on guys. It's one thing to doubt claims of averages that beat the tour pros. It's another to refuse to believe that anyone ever hits 300 yards.

...And it's another to rehash the same tired debate again and again and again...

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  sean_miller said:
How many players are claiming 300 yard averages? 1? maybe 2? Out of how many thousand members?

I don't know...why? What does it have to do with the hypothetical?

  None said:
why do some guys wear their terrible driving stats like a badge of honour?

Umm, I'm not sure. Who does that? You'll have to ask them. What doubters don't you get? I'm confused as to how it relates to my post.

  None said:
I had the long drive at one scramble this year - for about 10 minutes. Almost every other group had a name on there by the time someone won it.

Nice. What ended up winning? Is it only on one specific hole or any hole?

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  zeg said:
I love how we got this discussion again, after a guy posted that he hit a single drive a bit over 313 yards, measured with a GPS. I'm one of the most skeptical of the claims of 300 yard average carries, but come on guys. It's one thing to doubt claims of averages that beat the tour pros. It's another to refuse to believe that anyone ever hits 300 yards.

I agree and we know who the culprits are by now!


  bplewis24 said:
I don't know...why? What does it have to do with the hypothetical?

Perhaps I was responding to your post based on a few others I'd read. The more I read your post, the less sure I am where you stand on the non-issue.

Regarding the guys who seem to be proud of their short driving and relatively low index: Do you want the long list or the short list? I'm not sure who won or how long it was, but I saw the card that was turned in, and there were 8-10 names on it after mine. Since we didn't use my drive (a lady was longer - her tee box was waaaaay up from ours and we really needed to use one of her shots) so we didn't bother to get a yardage. Besides I knew it wouldn't win. We were the second group out so at that point I was the longest of about 6 guys - woot!

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  saevel25 said:
13+ years of hitting with in a 10 yard range of my average has proven that.

WOW!!! 13+ years and your average distance has only deviated at the most a 10 yard range? That's awesome! Mine has gone from 250ish to 280ish back to 250ish. To the OP, I don't know you or your swing so I don't see anything wrong with what you are saying. The only thing the "nay-sayers" here are going by is the info you are giving with your swing speed. I admit that doesn't really add up, but that doesn't mean what you are saying isn't true. Sure, that iron speed may be low, but it was one day. Just like the great drive display you had was one day. When I am measuring swing speed, I tend to get slower because I seem to "try" to swing faster. This tenses up muscles, etc...and actually hurts you. So I can see your iron swing being off in that situation. I have a friend (his iron speed is higher) that consistently hits over 300 (not averages....average is a totally different ball game). In the past, he has had control issues but has been taking lessons and now hits it straight. Whether we like to believe it or not, there are guys out there that just hit a long ball. Just because I only hit my driver 270-280 on my long ball doesn't mean that the guy standing beside me won't get up there and blast a 300 yard drive. I agree it takes a lot to get to 300 and there are many people that don't understand what it takes to hit a 300 yard drive....but that don't mean that there aren't people out there that can do it. We have a yearly scramble and there is always a long drive contest. The same guys are always in the running and their drives are always over 300. And from using my Skycaddie side by side with a laser range finder, I would say that they are close enough to having the same accuracy that it doesn't matter. If you hit your tee shot down a long flat open fairway, you have 2 options with a laser....shoot the ball (good luck) or go to the ball and shoot the tee box. I can see margins of error there too. It's not like the GPS he was using is going to tell him 313 yards when it is really 285 yards...come on.

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