The Dan Plan - 10,000 Hours to Become a Pro Golfer (Dan McLaughlin)

[Slice of Life]

If he doesn't snap Dan in half attempting to do it.

[nevets88]

OK, he'd kick his butt. Hey Dan Plan - you're not working at the gym hard enough. I question your motivation.

What about Ricky Fowler? He can't be more than 160.

[Lihu]

OK, he'd kick his butt. Hey Dan Plan - you're not working at the gym hard enough. I question your motivation. :mad: What about Ricky Fowler? He can't be more than 160.

I think he weighs less than Dan. He has lots of fast twitch muscles, and he's super thin to boot. Looks like it's in his genes: http://www.fullertontitans.com/sports/w-golf/2011-12/bios/fowler_taylor00.html She started 4 years ago.

[Slice of Life]

OK, he'd kick his butt. Hey Dan Plan - you're not working at the gym hard enough. I question your motivation.

What about Ricky Fowler? He can't be more than 160.

Ricky? Combination of fast twitch muscle fibers and phenomenal flexibility. He's not a lifter so much, but he's still somewhat of a gym rat.

I'm actually looking at building my home gym over the winter so I can get back in shape for next season. Beginning of last season, I was 154 lbs, but stronger and in much much better shape than I am now at 173. Size isn't everything...I was 154 and benching 225, squatting 250, and deadlifting 315. Now...cut those numbers in half lol.

It sucks watching your driving distance decrease due to laziness lol

[Lihu]

Ricky? Combination of fast twitch muscle fibers and phenomenal flexibility. He's not a lifter so much, but he's still somewhat of a gym rat.

I'm actually looking at building my home gym over the winter so I can get back in shape for next season. Beginning of last season, I was 154 lbs, but stronger and in much much better shape than I am now at 173. Size isn't everything...I was 154 and benching 225, squatting 250, and deadlifting 315. Now...cut those numbers in half lol.

It sucks watching your driving distance decrease due to laziness lol

Wait, you're still in your physical prime. . .at 29. . .

[Slice of Life]

Wait, you're still in your physical prime. . .at 29. . .

Right, but I haven't lifted since May of last year. I just need to get back at it and I'll be back to normal by spring.

[MS256]

Ricky? Combination of fast twitch muscle fibers and phenomenal flexibility. He's not a lifter so much, but he's still somewhat of a gym rat.

I'm actually looking at building my home gym over the winter so I can get back in shape for next season. Beginning of last season, I was 154 lbs, but stronger and in much much better shape than I am now at 173. Size isn't everything...I was 154 and benching 225, squatting 250, and deadlifting 315. Now...cut those numbers in half lol.

It sucks watching your driving distance decrease due to laziness lol

And I'm still wondering what really creates distance. I'm not as strong as I used to be but hit the ball the same distances.

I would like to be able to attribute it to a better swing or knowing how to hit the ball better (or something) but I'm not sure any of those are true or hold any water.

I do think I'm still as fast with my hands as I was when I was stronger so I'm leaning toward speed being the main factor.

[Slice of Life]

I do think I'm still as fast with my hands as I was when I was stronger so I'm leaning toward speed being the main factor.

Of course speed is the main factor, but where do you think speed comes from?

Just think of a 12 year old...there's a reason that even with impeccable swing technique, they won't hit it as hard as an adult. They lack leverage and strength.

[Lihu]

And I'm still wondering what really creates distance. I'm not as strong as I used to be but hit the ball the same distances.

I would like to be able to attribute it to a better swing or knowing how to hit the ball better (or something) but I'm not sure any of those are true or hold any water.

I do think I'm still as fast with my hands as I was when I was stronger so I'm leaning toward speed being the main factor.

Yeah, that's what I've been saying. Fast twitch type II or even IIa muscles are what give you that speed. If you are born with it, you can pick up sports that require speed a lot faster. If not, you need to build it up through serious training.

[flopster]

Very much agree. Likely a book combined with speaking engagements.

It's obvious he's going to try and troubling that he gets the kind of attention he receives when there are thousands of other much more gifted people giving this game a go that are putting in more time and going about it in a more systematic way.

[MS256]

Of course speed is the main factor, but where do you think speed comes from?

Just think of a 12 year old...there's a reason that even with impeccable swing technique, they won't hit it as hard as an adult. They lack leverage and strength.

Actually I think we are born with it.

The 12 year old analogy doesn't apply at all to why I can hit the ball as far as I could when I was stronger.

[Lihu]

It's obvious he's going to try and troubling that he gets the kind of attention he receives when there are thousands of other much more gifted people giving this game a go that are putting in more time and going about it in a more systematic way.

Yeah, I agree. It's too bad those people don't get this press to find their maximum potential. I remember back and forth chats with @GHIN0011458 , and feel like people like him and others on this site deserve all the attention that Dan is promoting.

If Dan really cares about golf, he would use his marketing skills to sell the public on those people, and grow the game instead.

[nevets88]

It's obvious he's going to try and troubling that he gets the kind of attention he receives when there are thousands of other much more gifted people giving this game a go that are putting in more time and going about it in a more systematic way.

What's his message though? He really isn't that good given the time he devoted, he doesn't have a better way to get better than your typical pro, look how he's struggling now.

Man, if people start learning golf by putting only for the first three months, I'm gonna puke. That is a setback for the game, imho.

[jamo]

It's amazing how this thread just keeps going.

[flopster]

Yeah, I agree. It's too bad those people don't get this press to find their maximum potential. I remember back and forth chats with @GHIN0011458 , and feel like people like him and others on this site deserve all the attention that Dan is promoting.

If Dan really cares about golf, he would use his marketing skills to sell the public on those people, and grow the game instead.

I agree but I don't see him doing anything like that, Here is the current OGWR amatuers and Dan actually thinks he can get past these guys??? I know one of the players in the low 800's and he's a flat out stick, has to play at a +5 on a 139 slope, Dan is a joke.

[Slice of Life]

Actually I think we are born with it.

The 12 year old analogy doesn't apply at all to why I can hit the ball as far as I could when I was stronger.

Of course, but that doesn't mean the speed you have today is your max speed. You can build it. Speed comes from strength...look at the difference between a sprinter and a distance runner.

You can be born a fast runner...if you do squats and deadlifts...you'll get faster.

As far as why it doesn't apply to you...the only real way would be for you to get data from a trackman before and after your strength loss. You could have made up for a loss of strength with better technique.

[Slice of Life]

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[MS256]

Of course, but that doesn't mean the speed you have today is your max speed. You can build it. Speed comes from strength...look at the difference between a sprinter and a distance runner.

You can be born a fast runner...if you do squats and deadlifts...you'll get faster.

As far as why it doesn't apply to you...the only real way would be for you to get data from a trackman before and after your strength loss. You could have made up for a loss of strength with better technique.

I'm not saying that we can't improve our body speed slightly. I am saying we can't improve it very much.

Luke Donald will never hit a ball as far as Rory McIlroy no matter how many weights he lifts.

Greg Maddox could never throw as fast as Sandy Koufax no matter how hard he worked at it (and he was a bigger stronger guy).

You might take a guy that runs a 5 flat 40 and get him down to a 4.8 but he'll never be a 4.3 guy. Another guy might run a 4.4 the first day he walks on a field.

We can of course improve our technique and get the most out of what we've got.

Edit: The guy on the bottom picture you posted can bulk up all he wants and he still won't be a sprinter. He has slow twitch fibers and the sprinter has fast twitch fibers.