The Dan Plan - 10,000 Hours to Become a Pro Golfer (Dan McLaughlin)

[iacas]

15 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Again, that's a far cry from wanting him to fail. Saying that is just not true, and I feel like an apology is owed Erik and Phil.

I'm not holding my breath, and I also asked that we move on and discuss The Dan Plan itself, not @natureboy's incorrect posts on the topic.

[Lihu]

What does "pedagogy" mean in this case? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedagogy

I need to look up pretty much every word and getting the colloquial meaning is really stumping me. Even my kids don't know, and their language skills are pretty strong. . .

In response to Dan's latest blog:

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Brian Kuehn says:

December 5, 2015 at 3:23 pm

“Nonlinear Pedagogy”. Yes, that just about sums up the last 5 years.

Not sure what Brian means, or what Dan originally meant. . .

Also, I disagree with Dan's "burnout" prevention statements. Most kids who do something day and night are really loving every moment of what they are doing. It's almost like he's never seen kids who are really "into" something before?

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2 hours ago, Lihu said:

 

while in the P section...check on pedantic.

[Lihu]

3 minutes ago, collapse said:

while in the P section...check on pedantic.

 

Okay. . .

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedantic

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Ostentatious in one's learning.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ostentatious

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Characterized by or given to pretentious or conspicuous show in an attempt to impress others.

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pretentious

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Characterized by assumption of dignity or importance, especially when exaggerated or undeserved.

 

You really know how to make someone work hard to understand what you are stating, but I think I figured out this one?

[RandallT]

46 minutes ago, Lihu said:

What does "pedagogy" mean in this case? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedagogy

If I understand Dan correctly, a major theme at the conference he participated in was how the learning process is not something that will ever be a straight line from A to B. I haven't re-read his post recently, but I remember him also being impressed with the idea of different learning modes: play vs. focused, disciplined learning- each having a role.

I think "pedagogy" just means "method of learning." And "non-linear"just means what I wrote in the above paragraph. (I think) Not a huge surprise to me, but I guess we are just now getting to a better scientific understanding of it all.

As for Brian, I think he was just sharing his amusement with The Dan Plan being quite non-linear, as in unfocused/bouncing around. 

But this brings up an idea that I've likely mentioned before: Dan is totally into this aspect of his project. Learning modes. Achievement. Potential. All the TED Topic things... inspiration, etc.  The golf, not so much.  You see it in the topics he blogs about. You see it in the detail he goes into. Dan's a guy who was inspired by an academic concept, and a desire to be part of that world- speaking tours, case studies, conferences.

The golf is just a means to an end, I think, although he has been bitten by the golf bug too. It is secondary to his true passion, and unfortunately, he may not succeed enough in golf to allow him to have much of a future in his primary area of interest. We shall see.

 

[nevets88]

1 hour ago, Lihu said:

What does "pedagogy" mean in this case? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedagogy

I need to look up pretty much every word and getting the colloquial meaning is really stumping me. Even my kids don't know, and their language skills are pretty strong. . .

In response to Dan's latest blog:

Not sure what Brian means, or what Dan originally meant. . .

Also, I disagree with Dan's "burnout" prevention statements. Most kids who do something day and night are really loving every moment of what they are doing. It's almost like he's never seen kids who are really "into" something before?

Pedagogy is how you go about learning things. Nonlinear means in this context, not linear, not going about something in a straightforward manner.

The statement can be construed as a compliment. Meaning Dan Plan is thinking "outside the box", not doing things SOP (standard operating procedure), doing things "smarter" than your average joe.

Or, it could be a backhanded insult. Doing something in a chaotic, unorganized manner, not efficient.

That's the thing about these conferences and the high concept web/print magazines that interview Dan Plan that turn me off. The articles are so vague and pseudo intellectual, there's no solid take aways, it's just this stuff sounds really cool and might help you do things better but when you really think about it, it sounds like a bunch of half baked concepts. It's like when I talk to a developer and ask him/her why are you using this api or way of coding this and he/she says because it's new and cool and shiny and the in-thing (it'll look good on my resume) as opposed because it best suits the objective.  

Instead of using the title nonlinear pedagogy in the blog entry, why not just use RANDOM ****ING PRACTICE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ****ING TALKING ABOUT GD IT. Sorry, I gotta wean myself off the coffee. Errrrr. I hate it when people don't speak plainly and opt for impressive sounding words to sound smarter than they are. 

[DrvFrShow]

It sounds like Dan is process focused rather than results focused. 

[Alx]

I stumbled across the Dan plan a few years back and thought it was a really interesting idea. Admittedly at this point I had never played golf and had no idea how easy or difficult it would actually be. I had read a couple of interviews of pros from various sports saying they were lucky that people(especially the talented ones) are lazy and they've managed to get to a high enough level of skill by simply practicing rigorously. I thought the Plan would have a relatively decent chance of some kind of succes given the person had motivation and could focus on doing things properly from the get go and did not have to worry about finances.

I though't he would have a proper workout program working on getting much stronger and bigger in addition to working on his specific sport. I started playing golf a few months back myself and recalled the Dan plan and checked it out again. Needless to say I was very surprised Dan still had the physique of a scrawny male looking nothing like a pro athlete. I think the whole plan is obsolete simply because Dan has not had the motivation(conviction or w/e) to work on having the physique to atleast match the pros. This is in my opinion one of things he could've and should've done to level the playing field considerably. Looking at golf pros in general it's definitely not a very difficult task to attain their level of fit even with the recent fitness craze. Even Dan in his 30s should've achieved a very high level of fitness in the years he has had.

 

[Lihu]

The main thing in my mind is his lack of driving distance because of the lack of oomph in his swing.

His swing is reasonable for an amateur male, but not even close to the top 2-3% of all golfers. So, there are about a million golfers who have a better swing than him. Not really an elite level at all. There are plenty of 65-70 year olds who out drive and out score him from better technique.

[RandallT]

On 12/22/2015 at 7:18 AM, Alx said:

I though't he would have a proper workout program working on getting much stronger and bigger in addition to working on his specific sport. I started playing golf a few months back myself and recalled the Dan plan and checked it out again. Needless to say I was very surprised Dan still had the physique of a scrawny male looking nothing like a pro athlete. I think the whole plan is obsolete simply because Dan has not had the motivation(conviction or w/e) to work on having the physique to atleast match the pros. This is in my opinion one of things he could've and should've done to level the playing field considerably. Looking at golf pros in general it's definitely not a very difficult task to attain their level of fit even with the recent fitness craze. Even Dan in his 30s should've achieved a very high level of fitness in the years he has had.

 

He surely doesn't look to be in peak athletic form in this video from Finland last month. 

At 0:41, he does some full swings. (no ball, just practice swings in cold weather)

At 3:15, he does some short game swings. (on what appears to be a tennis court with ice)

 

[Lihu]

He lifts his head a little too soon and sways back a bit. Not much, but enough that it's noticeable. What do you think about him being a 2.6HC?

[RFKFREAK]

1 hour ago, RandallT said:

He surely doesn't look to be in peak athletic form in this video from Finland last month. 

At 0:41, he does some full swings. (no ball, just practice swings in cold weather)

At 3:15, he does some short game swings. (on what appears to be a tennis court with ice)

 

Wow, he does not look good.  He looks very haggard.  

[newtogolf]

2 hours ago, RFKFREAK said:

Wow, he does not look good.  He looks very haggard.

Yeah, doesn't look like a guy that is seeking people to invest in his future.

[RFKFREAK]

25 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

Yeah, doesn't look like a guy that is seeking people to invest in his future.

Makes me wonder what his angle is.  I think I understand why he seeks the media attention but if he's going to do it, he should probably try and not look do disheveled and maybe look like he has it all together, even if he doesn't. 

[DrvFrShow]

That's Portland OR culture for the look. But for his plan of being a professional he should at least look the part. A 2.6 HC? Really? Maybe his official HC dipped there once, but it's not there now. If he's going for a PGA tour event he needs to focus much less on the handicap and more on his gross score and how well he is hitting target, and work on his distance.

[nevets88]

Shoddy journalism. One says plan ends next year, another 2019.  Which is it? Just skimmed through these. One thing that stuck out to me is a mention of changing coaches.

http://weekplan.net/interview-with-dan-becoming-a-professional-golfer-through-10000-hours-of-deliberate-practice/

http://www.joomag.com/magazine/yourcaddy-6/0367572001450260596?short

 

[Alx]

21 hours ago, RandallT said:

He surely doesn't look to be in peak athletic form in this video from Finland last month. 

At 0:41, he does some full swings. (no ball, just practice swings in cold weather)

At 3:15, he does some short game swings. (on what appears to be a tennis court with ice)

 

In his defence the cold can have a huge affect on stiffing the swing but he does look exhausted. From an athletic point of view his short swings look forced. Sort of what you would expect to see if you took a person with no athletic talent and taught them to do something. Theyd turn their hips and so on just for the sake of doing it cause its the right thing to do.

'For anyone wondering the guy introducing the video doesn't say anything worth mentioning.

 

[Lihu]

18 hours ago, DrvFrShow said:

That's Portland OR culture for the look. But for his plan of being a professional he should at least look the part. A 2.6 HC? Really? Maybe his official HC dipped there once, but it's not there now. If he's going for a PGA tour event he needs to focus much less on the handicap and more on his gross score and how well he is hitting target, and work on his distance.

Yes, he's lost most of his credibility with a lot of golfers on these interviews. He needed to focus on being honest about his playing level first so he appears honest. People still give Vijay Singh crap over something he did when he was 17 years old, and that was a lot "less dishonest" than Dan's interviews.

If you don't have credibility, you have nothing in golf. He doesn't have a chance because of this more than his mediocre playing level. Even if he gets to "scratch", no one serious about golf will believe it or care any more anyway.

These interviews make him look so fake.