Tiger outside the Top 50

[PiustheDrGolf]

Originally Posted by iacas

It's "PGA Tour sanctioned," and I don't particularly like that you have acted all year as if I've forgotten about the bet or something. Gee whiz. And though I personally don't expect him to play in too many more events (Disney is probably unlikely, but there's the HSBC and the Chevron), the Fry's.com isn't the last one he could play in nor is it the last one he will play in (barring some weird thing), so I'll wait if only because that's the official, best way to go. Waiting should give you plenty of time to actually PM me with a name, email address, or snail mail address so that I can pay when/if the time to do so arrives.

I don't particularly like that you have missed my point and replied like above.  You got it totally wrong.  The bet between us is not what I posted on this tread.  As this tread's title, Tiger outside the Top 50, I pointed out that people still rout for him and believe that Tiger can come back and gave some kick to you and others by bringing back last year's bet.  As you insisted, you will be getting a PM from me when last PGA Tours sanctioned tournaments ends.  And if you think Tiger can claim a win next year, I'm always up for your bet.

[The_Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by makaveli

I dunno about the comparison with Schumacher, he made a comeback mainly for sponsorship I suppose (from the Italian Ferrari to the German Mercedes), while Tiger just destroyed himself going with 50+ prostitutes while having a family... dunno... but I agree with you, watching them right now is is pretty pathetic...

(imho)

He's hardly destroyed himself. So what if he's slept with prostitutes while married? That's his problem. I only care about his golf. I think his injury is the main problem he's not winning (or closer to winning) and the moment he gets fit and starts playing a lot of competitive golf he'll come good again.

[The_Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by deasy55

You'd swear he was the only player doing those things.

What bad luck. I must always switch on when he's acting like a penis. Funny how the networks never show other players throwing their toys out of their prams.

[deasy55]

Pretty much because every shot of Tiger is shown regardless of how well he is playing. If they showed all the players hitting poor shots you would see something different. Heck, in the last few years we've seen Sergio attack a bunker, John Daly walk off the course, Bubba Watson call Elkington a "****er" and Bjorn saying "Go **** yourself Thomas" live on air. It's hardly just Tiger. I'm not defending him but it's ridiculous to think he's the only one out there.

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

What bad luck. I must always switch on when he's acting like a penis. Funny how the networks never show other players throwing their toys out of their prams.

[The_Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by deasy55

Pretty much because every shot of Tiger is shown regardless of how well he is playing. If they showed all the players hitting poor shots you would see something different. Heck, in the last few years we've seen Sergio attack a bunker, John Daly walk off the course, Bubba Watson call Elkington a "****er" and Bjorn saying "Go **** yourself Thomas" live on air. It's hardly just Tiger. I'm not defending him but it's ridiculous to think he's the only one out there.

I probably don't watch enough golf then, as I can honestly say I haven't seen any other play act the way Tiger does. If that's the case, then they all need fining. Tiger should know better as he knows every swing is on camera. It's like he doesn't care anymore.

[makaveli]

I dunno Pharaon, I still think Tiger's problem is mainly mental...

(imho)

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

He's hardly destroyed himself. So what if he's slept with prostitutes while married? That's his problem. I only care about his golf. I think his injury is the main problem he's not winning (or closer to winning) and the moment he gets fit and starts playing a lot of competitive golf he'll come good again.

[jamo]

I probably don't watch enough golf then, as I can honestly say I haven't seen any other play act the way Tiger does. If that's the case, then they all need fining. Tiger should know better as he knows every swing is on camera. It's like he doesn't care anymore.

Why does swearing on a golf course require fining?

[michaeljames92]

I don't mind a bit of club throwing and swearing on the golf course. Don't most people get angry with themselves for hitting bad shots? These are are getting paid to play golf. I think it adds some emotion to the game

Originally Posted by jamo

Why does swearing on a golf course require fining?

[goob3r]

Originally Posted by michaeljames92

I don't mind a bit of club throwing and swearing on the golf course. Don't most people get angry with themselves for hitting bad shots? These are are getting paid to play golf. I think it adds some emotion to the game

I guess I'm just old fashioned or maybe it was just the way my dad taught me the game, but golf to me has always been a gentleman's game. I think people should have some class on the golf course. It's not the NBA. I find it completely unexcusable for someone to throw a club on the golf course.

[michaeljames92]

Originally Posted by goob3r

I guess I'm just old fashioned or maybe it was just the way my dad taught me the game, but golf to me has always been a gentleman's game. I think people should have some class on the golf course. It's not the NBA. I find it completely unexcusable for someone to throw a club on the golf course.

You're right. I just find it quite humorous to see the pros get frustrated. See: Pat Perez

[RichF]

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I guess I'm just old fashioned or maybe it was just the way my dad taught me the game, but golf to me has always been a gentleman's game. I think people should have some class on the golf course. It's not the NBA. I find it completely unexcusable for someone to throw a club on the golf course.

Sign of the times I'm afraid. Over-generalizing here, but the more they get paid, the more of a jerk they seem to act.

Re: Tiger, there's not much point reacting/opinionating. It's been going on for years, he doesn;t look any less or more of a twat when he's sulking/spitting/swearing/throwing clubs around, doesn't appear to give a sh!t either.

But woe betide if you criticise him in any way, before one of the gang attacks you about you having the audacity to comment negatively about the man or his bad habits on the golf-course. Generally along the lines of: '"He's the World Number One (or 52nd) so he's entitled to sling clubs into crowds of people*, spit, swear..."

* Check your facts RichF, he's never purposely thrown clubs into crowds - so stop HATING

We're just average hackers posting on an Internet Forum and therefore not fit to even pick up his thrown driver, much less criticise him for doing it, so we all need to STFU and grant 'The G.O.A.T' the immunity he deserves from common sense and grown-up behaviour by the very nature of his god-given talents.

And anyway, he can do whatever he likes: he's got 14 Majors - how many have you got?

[deasy55]

Didn't Bobby Jones once throw a club into the crowd that hit a woman in the leg? I think I remember reading that in some book...... He had a fairly nasty temper on him also from what I have read.

[RichF]

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Didn't Bobby Jones once throw a club into the crowd that hit a woman in the leg? I think I remember reading that in some book...... He had a fairly nasty temper on him also from what I have read.

He may have skewered someone through the sternum with a sawn-off 1-iron for all I know.

The fact that it's not been filmed or photographed means we'll never know for sure - only on what someone's written based on witnesses from almost 100 years ago.

My guess is that not many people were watching...and I'm sure no kiddie said at the time: "Gee, Dad - you see Bobby Jones just called that guy a c*nt and took out another woman with a mashie"

[newtogolf]

You can have any opinion you want, but you've made it clear here numerous times you hate Tiger.  I'm not a fan of Tiger the person but I watch enough golf to know he's not the only pro out there cussing and throwing clubs but I never see you call anyone else out but Tiger for doing it.  If you just want to come here and bash Tiger we can ignore your posts and just let you vent if you prefer.

Originally Posted by RichF

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Sign of the times I'm afraid. Over-generalizing here, but the more they get paid, the more of a jerk they seem to act.

Re: Tiger, there's not much point reacting/opinionating. It's been going on for years, he doesn;t look any less or more of a twat when he's sulking/spitting/swearing/throwing clubs around, doesn't appear to give a sh!t either.

But woe betide if you criticise him in any way, before one of the gang attacks you about you having the audacity to comment negatively about the man or his bad habits on the golf-course. Generally along the lines of: '"He's the World Number One (or 52nd) so he's entitled to sling clubs into crowds of people*, spit, swear..."

* Check your facts RichF, he's never purposely thrown clubs into crowds - so stop HATING

We're just average hackers posting on an Internet Forum and therefore not fit to even pick up his thrown driver, much less criticise him for doing it, so we all need to STFU and grant 'The G.O.A.T' the immunity he deserves from common sense and grown-up behaviour by the very nature of his god-given talents.

And anyway, he can do whatever he likes: he's got 14 Majors - how many have you got?

[Harmonious]

Jones realized that his anger had an adverse effect on his game, and changed.

Tiger, despite telling us that he would get back to his Buddhist roots (whatever that means) and would respect the game of golf, continues his angry, petulant behavior.

[The_Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by goob3r

I guess I'm just old fashioned or maybe it was just the way my dad taught me the game, but golf to me has always been a gentleman's game. I think people should have some class on the golf course. It's not the NBA. I find it completely unexcusable for someone to throw a club on the golf course.

This is exactly how I feel. It makes me sad that I have to explain why swearing, club throwing etc. has no place on the golf course. It's difficult to teach this to the new people joining the game.

[The_Pharaoh]

Originally Posted by Harmonious

Jones realized that his anger had an adverse effect on his game, and changed.

Tiger, despite telling us that he would get back to his Buddhist roots (whatever that means) and would respect the game of golf, continues his angry, petulant behavior.

Good post. Yeah, I remember him saying that. Went out the window the moment he hit his first block in his comeback tournament. Once a jerk, always a jerk.

[RichF]

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You can have any opinion you want, but you've made it clear here numerous times you hate Tiger.  I'm not a fan of Tiger the person but I watch enough golf to know he's not the only pro out there cussing and throwing clubs but I never see you call anyone else out but Tiger for doing it.  If you just want to come here and bash Tiger we can ignore your posts and just let you vent if you prefer.

Or, you can read constructive criticism, ponder over it, and then respond.

But you know what? I agree with you here.

I lot of people have suggested the PGA should act up and start fining/warning players for acting this way (they don't stand for swearing or tantrums or racquet abuse in tennis anymore)

Woods would be on the top of this list.

And I wouldn't expect this from any player in the Top 10, 20 nor from a player on Tiger's level who is ranked lower...Garcia, Watson, Levine, Hoffman, Daley, Sabbatini, O'Hair - names that spring to mind immediately when 'acting-the-jerk' on the golf-course.

And by the way, I can say it til I'm blue in the face - I don't hate Tiger at all...if I did, I wouldnt have shook the guy's hand or wished him luck, pre-driving range on Day #1 at St Andrew's in 2010...but as usual, a lot of posters miss the point of my posts - it's not actually him my tirades are aimed at...