Jack Nicklaus Endorses Romney, Mitt calls Jack “Greatest athlete of the 20th century.”

[David in FL]

Democrats are even worse, as Obama has demonstrated during his round at the White House.

The lesser of two evils is still the lesser.....

[David in FL]

All we know is that Romney will cut the deficit by cutting Big Bird. Yeah, that'll work.

The point is, it's NOT a function of the federal government to fund any tv or radio station..... Identifying any inappropriate use of taxpayer dollars is a very important first step in reducing spending and ultimately balancing the budget.

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by David in FL

The lesser of two evils is still the lesser.....

While you and I disagree on who is the lesser, I agree with this statement.  It's surprising to me how many people won't vote for anybody "on principle."  I just don't understand that.  One of them HAS TO be a little bit better than the other for each individual, depending on your views, so why not help that guy?

If you gave me the choice of swimming in a pool of poop or swimming in a pool of pee, I'll be damned if I'm just going to say "They both suck, I don't care."  I'm taking the pee!  (Sorry for the gross analogy, it's the first thing that popped up in my mind)

Originally Posted by David in FL

Identifying any inappropriate use of taxpayer dollars is a very important first step in reducing spending and ultimately balancing the budget.

That's right.  Did you guys ever see the movie "Dave?"  All you gotta do is get your accountant, some sandwiches, and just start chopping stuff.

[Strike One]

Originally Posted by David in FL

The lesser of two evils is still the lesser.....

Sorry man, to me it's just a matter of being force fed the same BS after the election. The only difference is that one dish is hard boiled, and the other is half baked.

[David in FL]

While you and I disagree on who is the lesser, I agree with this statement.  It's surprising to me how many people won't vote for anybody "on principle."  I just don't understand that.  One of them HAS TO be a little bit better than the other for each individual, depending on your views, so why not help that guy?

Agree. There's never been a clearer distinction between the two candidates. If someone can't make a decision who to vote for at this point, we're probably all better off if the just stay home and watch some reality tv! ;-)

[jamo]

Sorry man, to me it's just a matter of being force fed the same BS after the election. The only difference is that one dish is hard boiled, and the other is half baked.

Go with Half Baked. Hard Boiled sounds like a crappy movie.

[Mr. Desmond]

I think the GOP has done a great job at brainwashing America over four years.

The malaise is in your heads - once that attitude stops, you can recover.

Obama is killing capitalism. Seriously?

• The stock market has doubled.

Sure, there are people sleeping in the streets.

• They're waiting to buy the next iPhone.

And we're all a bunch of homebodies shuddering in our homes

• College and NFL Stadiums are full

People are eating at restaurants.

• I have a friend who complains about Obama frequently, and tonight, he's tagging himself at The Palm, eating lobster and drinking martinis with six other friends. Oh, times are so tough.

Had enough of the Wahmbulance?

Really, folks, get some confidence. Tell the naysayers to eff off, insist on reforming government, and tell the pants in Washington to quit treating each other as aliens, and work together as fellow countrymen. That is what has disappeared, and it did not begin with Obama. It began in the 90's - reject the politics of fear and ignorance - and tell these guys to stop the fear mongering, shake hands, and work together.

This negativity is nutz. We're always going to have people with whom we don't agree. You smile, set aside the egos, and work with each other to get things done in a positive way.  That's it.

[Bullitt5339]

Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond

I think the GOP has done a great job at brainwashing America over four years.

And GOP pundits would say the same thing about the Democrats with similar facts to back it up.

I can't believe the stupid crap I hear from both sides that's completely false, or blown way out of proportion.  The truth is that both sides have their fair share of brainwashed people who can't see the truth if it was right in front of them.

The most important issues haven't even been mentioned by either side, because neither want to tackle the tough questions.  The sequester is coming in January, which will leave at least an additional 200,000 middle class Americans instantly out of work with many more following.  Why hasn't this been mentioned?  Oh, that's right, because neither side has done anything significant to prevent it.  In fact, it was supposed to happen on November 1st of this year, but was pushed off until January.  Kind of convenient huh?  Let's push it off to be dealt with by a lame duck Congress and possibly a lame duck President.  Convenient that they moved it to a time to where no matter what happens with the election in Congress or the President, the blame can be pushed on someone else easily instead of dealing with the problem.

Just here in NC, the projections are 11,895 job losses, mostly good paying jobs ($60k-$120k), just over $1B in State product losses and $500M in Personal Earnings losses.  I don't care which side of the isle you're on, taking that much money out of one state's economy is going to be devastating to the businesses and the local governments.

[David in FL]

This negativity is nutz. We're always going to have people with whom we don't agree. You smile, set aside the egos, and work with each other to get things done in a positive way.  That's it.

The problem with this, admittedly sweet sounding statement, is that people who make it invariably mean that they want the other side to work with them towards their objectives. I don't want to work with President Obama, his base philosophies and mine are diametrically opposed. While we both say that we want "what is best for the Country", he and I have wildly differing opinions as to what defines "best". In fact, I consider his overall goals to be hurtful to this great nation, and he believes the same of mine.....well except that he doesn't believe in the greatness and exceptionalism of the Country in the same manner that I do. That's why I say.....there has never been an election, at least not in my lifetime, with such clearly defined differences in the candidates. Anyone who does not know which side of this particular equation they fall on by now is simply disengaged or ignorant.

[newtogolf]

Most people that vote are ignorant and/or disengaged, and even a larger majority don't vote at all.  People put much more time and effort in following their favorite sports teams than they do selecting a President.  In some states it doesn't matter, NY and CA aren't ever likely to vote for a Republican president.  The swing states are a different story, but even there I doubt the citizens there realize how critical their vote is and take the time to make an informed decision.

I was shocked walking around the day after the debate to hear people talking about how nice Obama was, who's more attractive (women)  or who's tie they liked better.  I hardly ever hear discussions about their platforms and policies.  Most people have no idea what Obama care is, they just know if they are for it or against it based on what their friends and family have told them.

It's sad given how hard our forefathers and mothers fought and sacrificed their lives for the right to vote and now that every citizen has it, many don't exercise it or waste it.

Originally Posted by David in FL

That's why I say.....there has never been an election, at least not in my lifetime, with such clearly defined differences in the candidates. Anyone who does not know which side of this particular equation they fall on by now is simply disengaged or ignorant.

[David in FL]

Most people that vote are ignorant and/or disengaged, and even a larger majority don't vote at all.  People put much more time and effort in following their favorite sports teams than they do selecting a President.  In some states it doesn't matter, NY and CA aren't ever likely to vote for a Republican president.  The swing states are a different story, but even there I doubt the citizens there realize how critical their vote is and take the time to make an informed decision.   I was shocked walking around the day after the debate to hear people talking about how nice Obama was, who's more attractive (women)  or who's tie they liked better.  I hardly ever hear discussions about their platforms and policies.  Most people have no idea what Obama care is, they just know if they are for it or against it based on what their friends and family have told them.    It's sad given how hard our forefathers and mothers fought and sacrificed their lives for the right to vote and now that every citizen has it, many don't exercise it or waste it.

True dat!

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by David in FL

The problem with this, admittedly sweet sounding statement, is that people who make it invariably mean that they want the other side to work with them towards their objectives.

I don't want to work with President Obama, his base philosophies and mine are diametrically opposed. While we both say that we want "what is best for the Country", he and I have wildly differing opinions as to what defines "best". In fact, I consider his overall goals to be hurtful to this great nation, and he believes the same of mine.....well except that he doesn't believe in the greatness and exceptionalism of the Country in the same manner that I do.

That's why I say.....there has never been an election, at least not in my lifetime, with such clearly defined differences in the candidates. Anyone who does not know which side of this particular equation they fall on by now is simply disengaged or ignorant.

I believe you are an example of what the gOp has done to mislead -

The market has doubled - there goes your anti-capitalist argument

Obama used a market-based health care plan created by Republicans, instead of a one payer plan - there goes your anti-capitalist argument

Obama used a stimulus programs where private industry employed the workers instead of an FDR public works project. 33% of the stimulus was tax credits - again, there goes your anti-capitalist argument.

He has merely stated he wants the very wealthy to pay what they did under Clinton - 4% more - there goes the socialist argument down the drain.

He took office when companies and manufacturers were failing - and took ownership in companies, saying we're not an automaker, but we want to save a part of American manufacturing, and the government is divesting itself of stock ownership as time and market conditions permit. There goes the socialist argument down the drain.

Yes, the administration has made mistakes, Yes, Obama is not a "pat on your back" folksy guy, OMG - he is black! (half-white) and is more of an intellectual loner, his staff could do better -- yeah, he's human.

But to state what you did is opinion based on nothing - just an opinion based on feeling, based on what the WSJ or other right wing media have conditioned you to accept -

Yeah, Obama's mom was liberal, he went to Ivy League schools, but he has governed just to the left of center. To hear people like yourself, you'd think he was stoking the flames of Communism and asking for the downfall of the American state. Seriously? He even agreed to an extension of the Bush tax cuts for a while. Obama is no firebrand - more of a liberal pragmatist. And for people to paint him in the light of a socialist-commie bringing down the American State is laughable without any basis in fact. Sorry, your arguments and commentary do not stand up to examination.

But facts will not stop people like yourself. You're human. Obama has tried to placate both sides - liberals are disappointed in him, Conservatives don't like him because he is trying to placate both sides. So he gets hit - some of it is deserved, but the lies are not. The gOp has enough facts to criticize Obama, but they must lie, demonize, and divide - their objective is to delegitimize any Democrat - and their machine is good, better than the Democratic machine - it's a simple message that the gOp spreads - hate.

[David in FL]

- it's a simple message that the gOp spreads - hate.

Your reading comprehension is extraordinarily poor and you continue to demonstrate that you're incapable of rational discourse without resorting to hatemongering. I've tried, but I'm done.

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by David in FL

Your reading comprehension is extraordinarily poor and you continue to demonstrate that you're incapable of rational discourse without resorting to hatemongering.

I've tried, but I'm done.

You take this crap far too personally.

And in the discussion between ourselves, I seem to be the one introducing facts that you can't refute - so you do what is typical - you attack the guy with whom you can't argue, instead of discussing the points or finding a middle ground. I could write an argument criticizing Obama, but it would be based on facts, not feelings, and not the hatred and vitriol spit out by the extreme right wing.

In the discussion, I'm merely stating you bring no facts to back up your thoughts - a big bag of nothing but opinion. We all enjoy a discussion, but a discussion based on feelings without any basis in fact? That's not a basis for a discussion.

C'mon - it's not real.

What you've stated is that the 'real' Obama is coming - watch out! He's gonna' turn us into a socialistic state. Well, when Obama has had that chance, he has declined every opportunity to do so.

So if you run, it's because you have no rational answers, you have ... feelings, and your refusal to recognize what the gOP has done over four years is expected. They manipulate well - they all do - but the gOp does it better - they always have.

Hey, I wouldn't mind voting for the Romney we all saw on Wednesday, a moderate kind of guy. But this Opinion piece in the NY Times states why I cannot vote for Mitt 3.0 or 4.0, or whatever #.0 we have counted before the election:

What voters should keep in mind is that, whichever Romney is real, whatever his true beliefs, a President Romney will have to reckon with his own party, which truly is “severely conservative.”

Mr. Romney is not the first Republican in recent history to run toward the center during the general election with a winking two-month pass from the far right. George W. Bush did it in 2000, with his talk of compassionate conservatism. And when he took office, he gave the Congressional Republicans their tax cuts and gave the neo-cons their way on foreign policy. And the country got huge deficits and a pointless, expensive and bloody war in Iraq.

While we may be confused about the Real Romney, there is no confusion about the Republican Party. There’s no reason to think they would tolerate Moderate Mitt in the Oval Office, or that Mr. Romney would even ask them to.

[hanalei]

'Recap of this entire thread' Your stupid.. No your stupid.. Your an illiterate chicken butt.. Your candidate is stupid.. No your candidate is stupid.. Your candidate is obviously a retarded poopy doodoo head because he's a right handed nose picker.. Your obviously blind and a stinkey donkey butt because left handed nose pickers rule!! Your philosophical views on nose picking needs to examined, why people refuse to see why they can't see nose picking from the other persons perspective is beyond me... Shutup, right handed nose pickers are not as conservative as lefties because right handers share there boogers with the poor while lefties save it under the table for another day.. Shutup you greedy lefty. Rightys Rule.. 'rinse and repeat'

[JetFan1983]

Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.

[Mr. Desmond]

What we can expect under Republican Rule - from a House Science Committee Member.

No more science...

ATHENS, Ga. — Georgia Rep. Paul Broun said in videotaped remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are “lies straight from the pit of hell” meant to convince people that they do not need a savior.

The Republican lawmaker made those comments during a speech Sept. 27 at a sportsman’s banquet at Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell.

Broun, a medical doctor, is running for re-election in November unopposed by Democrats. He sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

“God’s word is true,” Broun said, according to a video posted on the church’s website. “I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”

Broun also said that he believes the Earth is about 9,000 years old and that it was made in six days. Those beliefs are held by fundamentalist Christians who believe the creation accounts in the Bible to be literally true.

Broun spokeswoman Meredith Griffanti told the Athens Banner-Herald that Broun was recorded speaking off-the-record to a church group about his religious beliefs.

It seems unlikely that Broun’s remarks were supposed to be kept private. The banquet was advertised, Broun spoke before an audience and the video of his remarks was posted on the church’s website.

[x129]

I am surprised you are shocked. This has happens every election. Remember people talking about how they would rather hand our with Bush instead of Gore or Clinton instead of Dole? CA used to vote reliably republican up until the 90s and has routinely elected republican governors.  But you can't run as an extreme rightest and expect to do well.

Originally Posted by newtogolf

Most people that vote are ignorant and/or disengaged, and even a larger majority don't vote at all.  People put much more time and effort in following their favorite sports teams than they do selecting a President.  In some states it doesn't matter, NY and CA aren't ever likely to vote for a Republican president.  The swing states are a different story, but even there I doubt the citizens there realize how critical their vote is and take the time to make an informed decision.

I was shocked walking around the day after the debate to hear people talking about how nice Obama was, who's more attractive (women)  or who's tie they liked better.  I hardly ever hear discussions about their platforms and policies.  Most people have no idea what Obama care is, they just know if they are for it or against it based on what their friends and family have told them.

It's sad given how hard our forefathers and mothers fought and sacrificed their lives for the right to vote and now that every citizen has it, many don't exercise it or waste it.

Umm you realize that this "clear difference line" has been used in every election for the past 30+ years? I wouldn't be surprised if it went back to John Adams. It might be true this time but I sort of doubt it. But is really hard to tell given that no one can say what Mitts positions are.

Is going to cut taxes? Used to be true up until a week ago. Now he says he will not. He is just going to spread the tax burden around differently

Repeal Obamacare? Umm not so fast. Turns out he likes huge chunks of it.

Finacial Regulation? Well last week we learned he was a fan of it.

Minimum Wage Hikes? Both are in favor.  Mitt wants to link to inflation, the Barack just want a big jump to get back to 1970 levels.

Originally Posted by David in FL

That's why I say.....there has never been an election, at least not in my lifetime, with such clearly defined differences in the candidates. Anyone who does not know which side of this particular equation they fall on by now is simply disengaged or ignorant.