• Announcements

    • iacas

      Visit FlagstickRule.com   03/13/2017

      Visit the site flagstickrule.com to read about and sign a petition for the USGA/R&A regarding the one terrible rule in the proposed "modernized" rules for 2019.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
dave67az

Do you turn in groups who break rules?

0  

  1. 1. The course has just been overseeded and the signs everywhere say "Carts on Cartpaths Only" but the group in front of you is driving on the fairways leaving tracks on nearly every hole. Do you turn them in to the pro shop?

    • Yes
      18
    • No
      7

Please sign in or register to vote in this poll.

16 posts in this topic

My wife and I were playing a course last week and they had just finished overseeding a few weeks prior.  There were signs all over the place saying "Carts on Cart Paths Only!"  In addition, when I paid at the pro shop they told me the same thing (as they probably did every other group).

A foursome of guys in front of us either couldn't read, or didn't care.  Not only did they refuse to rake any bunkers (I saw this several times that day) but they were driving both of their carts all over the course leaving very distinct tracks in the new grass.

So here's the question: would you turn them in at the end of the round (or immediately for that matter) or would you just ignore it?

- Dave

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

I don't let the course staff know. Instead, I tell Batman. Since he's the caped crusader and all, he can track them down and ensure no bunker will ever go unraked again. When the course staff or someone behind you tells you to rake the bunker, you generally ignore them. But when it's Batman, you friggin listen to him.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I'd try and remind the group in case they simply forgot. (Happened last week to the other cart in our group as they simply drove off the path on the 4th hole on a cart path only day.)  If I could not remind them, or if they ignored the reminder, I'd call the pro shop and see if the could have a course assistant remind them. My home course is a public course but it is still "my" course. I don't want people messing it up.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by dave67az

So here's the question: would you turn them in at the end of the round (or immediately for that matter) or would you just ignore it?

- Dave

I would remind them of the rules. They might not have seen the sign.

If they continue... end of  the round??? I would have pulled my cell phone out of my bag, and called the pro shop to let them know what's happening.

I'm an old caddie, so I see red when people trash out a golf course.

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Well, depending on how bad it was, I would definitely tell the pro shop. Carts on path only is one of the bigger rules to break, but I know some of the ESA rules are just to collect balls that people aren't allowed to retrieve, so I would be lenient on that if it was easily within sight, or not an obvious nesting ground or something that really is an ESA. However, if it's new grass and they're driving all over it, I'd notify the person at the counter, but wouldn't really go any further than that.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by dave67az

So here's the question: would you turn them in at the end of the round (or immediately for that matter) or would you just ignore it?

- Dave

I'd immediately call the pro-shop from my cart to let them know some j@ckasses are driving in the fairways and where to find them.

My home golf course is my golf home.  Why would I ignore people trashing it?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't even see this as a legitimate question.. Who wouldn't try to put a stop to it? If they didn't, they don't belong on the golf course either.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd immediately call the pro-shop from my cart to let them know some j@ckasses are driving in the fairways and where to find them. My home golf course is my golf home.  Why would I ignore people trashing it?

This!

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

At my old course marshals would give me their cell #'s so I could report as I saw fit. One phone call and they would come driving down with their marshal flag... Loved it...lol
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A few weeks ago a pair of jackwads got to chatting right in front of a green for over 5 minutes and ignored my repeated whistles and yells to get their attention and get them moving.  I spotted a marshal right after I finished that hole, told him about the twosome and asked him to keep an eye on them.  He offered to go talk to them right away, but I asked him just to see how they were doing over the next hole or two and say something to them if they continued to slow down play.  I thought that was a fair way to deal with it, since once they woke up out of their social session and realized they weren't the only ones on the course, they seemed to putt out quickly and I guessed they wouldn't be an issue any further.  That turned out to be the case.  One hole later, they were out of sight; they might have been a pro and a student in the midst of a playing lesson who lost track of time and where they were and then went back to the range.

If it was something a bit more egregious, like actual damage to the course, I'd definitely tell a ranger or marshal about it with the expectation that they'd chew out the bozos.  This summer I was playing miniature golf with my family when this dork teenage boy, who was trying to show off how cool he was to his date, started kicking his leg up and over the rotating blades of a windmill on the course.  The moron got his sandle caught on the blade and down came toolish teen with an 8' tall miniature Dutch windmill on top of him.  When a manager came out to see what had happened, he lied and said "I just kind of backed into it by accident and it fell over."  It looked like he had actually broken the windmill, so a minute later I went up to the manager and told her "If he actually broke the windmill, you should make his parents pay for it because that wasn't just an accident - I saw him and he was deliberately screwing around trying to impress the girl with him."

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

First I find out if they have permission to do so.  It's possible that they have a handicapped permit to do so.  I've been in that situation when the course was quite soggy in places, with the cart path only rule in place.  I was still allowed to use the 90 degree rule, with no handicap flag on the cart.  The course had carts with GPS, and the starter just made a change in the operating mode, otherwise the cart would just shut off if you left the cart path.  So first is to make sure you know what the deal is, then worry about tattling.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by Fourputt

First I find out if they have permission to do so.  It's possible that they have a handicapped permit to do so.  I've been in that situation when the course was quite soggy in places, with the cart path only rule in place.  I was still allowed to use the 90 degree rule, with no handicap flag on the cart.  The course had carts with GPS, and the starter just made a change in the operating mode, otherwise the cart would just shut off if you left the cart path.  So first is to make sure you know what the deal is, then worry about tattling.

Very good point!  I didn't even think about that one.

In this particular case, they weren't even following the 90-degree rule, but it's definitely something to consider before I shoot off my mouth to a group again.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Depends on the course.  The course I play now is a public course and is reasonably well staffed so I would figure that the staff would see these guys driving all over the fairways.  I would let them worry about it.  The course I used to belong to, however, was a small private course where there wasn't much staff and locals used to walk on and play for free (not allowed but usually nobody was watching and a lot of people knew about it).  If I saw somebody damaging that course I would call it in asap.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNut

I'd immediately call the pro-shop from my cart to let them know some j@ckasses are driving in the fairways and where to find them.

My home golf course is my golf home.  Why would I ignore people trashing it?

Originally Posted by David in FL

This!

This twice.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would call the pro shop immediately, I have no love loss for individuals that don't respect the course.  You can cheat on the rules of golf, that really only hurts you, but don't destroy the course, that cost time and money for the course to repair and in effect cost me.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by dave67az

Very good point!  I didn't even think about that one.

In this particular case, they weren't even following the 90-degree rule, but it's definitely something to consider before I shoot off my mouth to a group again.

You said they weren't even raking traps. I doubt these guys cared much about rules. I'd dime on them in a second.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2017 TST Partners

    PING Golf
    Leupold Golf
    Snell Golf
    Talamore Golf Resort
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Popular Now

  • Posts

    •   On one hand, you say you have trouble with lag putts, then you say you're not a poor putter.  And someone has told you that you're decelerating.  My suggestion, a FEELING of acceleration might help you get more putts to the hole, especially the long ones.
    • I first met with and talked about golf with Dean Snell when he was the main man at TaylorMade's moderately lavish TP Red/Black launch event the weekend before the 2006 Masters at Reynolds Plantation (coverage here, here, here, here, and elsewhere on the The Sand Trap .com). Dean had been snagged by TaylorMade after helping Titleist introduce the Pro V1/V1x to the golf world. A little while ago, we solicited questions from you, the members and readers of The Sand Trap .com, and what follows are Dean's responses to the first chunk of those questions. You'll notice that we jump right in to the Q&A. If you'd like to read more about Dean Snell, you can do so here. If you'd like to check out Snell's golf balls, they're right here. And of course, everything else is available at http://snellgolf.com/. One last note: Dean broke up a few of the questions so that he could more clearly answer pieces of them the way he wanted. Aside from editing for spelling/grammar, we've left these changes as is. Now, right into the Q&A… Technology Questions 1) How big of a difference is there between premium golf balls? DEAN: The biggest difference today between premium tour balls is the short game spin and control. Typically, when spin is controlled with mid and short irons, you can prevent the ballooning and problems in the wind… and when you get closer to the green, the thinner urethane covers allow for more short game spin and control. 2) Reducing SKUs seems wise but what percentage of golfers do you think you cover with only two models? Bridgestone has four B330 models but you have just one urethane ball. DEAN: I think two to three models is sufficient for entire market. The tour level players can really tell the difference in performance from one ball to another. some like more, some less spin… some firmer, some softer feel… so maybe two balls at tour level. As for the general public, I think if they choose to play a low compression, low spin ball, then the difference is so small that adding more for them is not worth it… also, when some companies talk about swing speed, I do not think this is worth having 3 SKU to fool consumers into thinking they need this in their game. 3) Bridgestone (and I think Callaway) has come out with tour caliber balls for players who swing under 105mph. Is it possible to design a tour caliber ball for a specific segment of swing speed or is this just mostly a marketing thing? DEAN: The whole swing speed story to me is one of the most over-rated stories in golf. Companies force or teach golfers to play low compression balls so their low swing speed can compress the ball. The problem with this is that low compression balls have the lowest spin in all shots, so they are pushing players to play a ball with no performance at all… and when you need that spin around the green, it's not there… 4) Since the four piece urerthane seems so hot in the ball industry right now, is there any chance that Snell will come out with a four-piece ball? DEAN: Stay tuned… I am working on several types of protos to address performance. I think when there is a performance target, then we adjust to the layers and materials to meet that target… so layers to help in meeting these targets… let it develop… ha ha… 5) How much diminishing returns are there on the number of layers? DEAN: Every time you add a layer, you add cost and some level of new performance. When I did penta (5 layers) it was to address concerns with the tour players on certain shots that they were seeing. So I always recommend that players do 100 yard and in testing, and see what they like in the ball… choose the ball from the short game testing, as this is where they are different. 6) From your perspective, will you follow the market trend and produce a soft golf ball? DEAN: The GET SUM is very low compression, very soft feeling golf ball. The issue in tour balls going too soft is you lose the feel of hitting good solid shots… players think soft means more spin at that level, so we have to balance this in design. 7) And would you describe why the market is "Hot with Soft or Softer" golf balls? DEAN: The soft golf ball market has taken off due to the lower spinning balls means players can be longer in distance. Today, softer balls means lower spinning, whereas in the past tour balls were higher spinning if softer… 8) Given what we now know about the relative importance of the full swing (driving, approach shots) and the short game and putting, does the old concept of fitting yourself for a golf ball by starting at the green and working backward still apply? DEAN: Absolutely… you should really spend a lot of time from 100 yards and in when testing different golf balls. This is where they are different, and where you would be able to see performance differences. If you test here and cannot tell, then buy the cheapest one. 9) Or should more importance be given to how the ball performs off the driver and irons, which are now understood to be the true scoring clubs? DEAN: No chance. Fitting a ball with a driver is a big mistake… you hit one drive, but you have to finish the hole, and play most of your golf around the greens, so choose a ball around the green, not off the tee. They will all go about the same difference off the tee today. 10) Is electronic technology embedded within the golf ball ever going to happen? For instance are we likely to see trackers or sensors anytime soon? I have tested this concept several years ago. Problem is that it is illegal to the rules of golf. The USGA will not allow, as you would have an advantage over someone else who did not have it. The other problem is that it was super expensive — over $4 per ball to have technology put into the ball — so it added $48 per doz, plus you had to buy the controller to find it… it does not really speed up play unless everyone on the course has it… which will be tough to implement. We look forward to bringing you the additional parts of this Q&A in the coming weeks. Thank you to Dean Snell for taking the time to answer these and the other questions still pending. Again, if you're looking to pay less AND get the best ball on the market today, https://snellgolf.com/.
    • I'm all for ready golf, but I think it's rude for everyone to hole out before you've made it to the green. That's just me though. 
    • Exactly. Unfortunately, we had a ringside seat to just such a thing yesterday.  The group ahead of us had finally made it to the green on 3.  One was in a green side bunker, while the others were on the green itself.  I asked my buddy, blade or chunk, as we watched from 60 yards out.  He said he'd leave it in the bunker.  I won.  Hard blade 30 yards over the green.  The remainder of the group WAITED while he raked the bunker and then walked completely across the green and proceeded to chip all the way back, almost dumping it in the same bunker again.  Again, Larry, Moe, and Curly wait for Bunker Boy to meander back and play his shot before playing theirs.  After all, he was away...   3 more swings and he was finally in the hole.  Total elapsed time that group took from when they reached the green, nearly 15 minutes!   We caught them on the next tee box in time to watch two of them knock it into the junk short of the fairway.  When it became obvious that they had no intention of acknowledging us, we politely asked if we could play through while they searched for their balls, and thankfully they agreed.   3 hours later, as we were teeing off on 18, we saw them driving up to the tee box on 12.  Not good golfers, true, but more than anything, they simply didn't move with any sense of purpose, or efficiency.  If we'd have had to play behind them much longer, I would have cut my own throat with my wedge!  
    • I love watching those shows on the golf channel.  Especially Michael Breed.   But, ultimately, it's not really personalized instruction, so you don't really get too much instruction from it.   Maybe a swing thought idea here and there, and some short game drills to work on.  As a matter of fact, I think a long while ago, I learned how to hit out of the sand from the golf channel.  That is still, to this day, the one skill I gain strokes on all of my friends at.   (unfortunately, I imagine bunker shots are like a SV (-8), given that I have like 1 per round.  tops.) But, it's still quite enjoyable nonetheless.   It's always fun to listen to people talk about the golf swing.  If your'e in to that kinda thing.  
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Blog Entries

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Isaac03
      Isaac03
      (33 years old)
    2. phillyk
      phillyk
      (27 years old)
    3. PhishAreFriends
      PhishAreFriends
      (27 years old)
  • Get Great Gear with Amazon