Does increasing xfactor almost guarantee increasing distance?

[broombroom]

In other words if I don't change anything in my swing apart from restricting my hips a little more will I see improved distance?

[14ledo81]

I would say the only thing increasing "x factor" would do is make for some sore joints.

[JetFan1983]

  broombroom said:

Originally Posted by broombroom

In other words if I don't change anything in my swing apart from restricting my hips a little more will I see improved distance?

God no. The X-Factor is a crock of shit, and pretty much every regular from this community knows it. For the love of all that is sacred, don't restrict your hip turn!

Please read this thread so you don't ruin your swing and/or hurt yourself: http://thesandtrap.com/t/55080/myth-of-maintaining-address-flexion-in-the-rear-knee

Bubba Watson has the biggest backswing hip turn of anyone on the PGA tour. Hmmm, I wonder how far he hits it?

[Ernest Jones]

Pretty sure the "inventor" of the X factor has stopped promoting the X factor because of the aforementioned crock of brown-stuff.

[broombroom]

  JetFan1983 said:

God no. The X-Factor is a crock of shit, and pretty much every regular from this community knows it. For the love of all that is sacred, don't restrict your hip turn! Please read this thread so you don't ruin your swing and/or hurt yourself: [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/t/55080/myth-of-maintaining-address-flexion-in-the-rear-knee]http://thesandtrap.com/t/55080/myth-of-maintaining-address-flexion-in-the-rear-knee[/URL] Bubba Watson has the biggest backswing hip turn of anyone on the PGA tour. Hmmm, I wonder how far he hits it?

yes I understand this but he could still have a big xfactor with a big shoulder turn. There are different ways of achieving speed. Bubba swings very wide with a big arc his power source.does xfactor play a part in speed?

[14ledo81]

If you don't like the answers you have been given so far, you could very easily try it for yourself the next time you are at the range.

[Beachcomber]

X-Factor... Y-Factor... Both are poor instructional swing jargon.  Do yourself a favor and check out this thread...

http://thesandtrap.com/t/55426/introducing-five-simple-keys

[boogielicious]

  JetFan1983 said:

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

God no. The X-Factor is a crock of shit, and pretty much every regular from this community knows it. For the love of all that is sacred, don't restrict your hip turn!

JetFan,

You need to stop holding back and tell us how you really feel! .  Your response made my day!

[Harmonious]

  JetFan1983 said:

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

God no. The X-Factor is a crock of shit, and pretty much every regular from this community knows it. For the love of all that is sacred, don't restrict your hip turn!

Please read this thread so you don't ruin your swing and/or hurt yourself: http://thesandtrap.com/t/55080/myth-of-maintaining-address-flexion-in-the-rear-knee

Bubba Watson has the biggest backswing hip turn of anyone on the PGA tour. Hmmm, I wonder how far he hits it?

You might want to read up on McLean's latest (2008) discussion about his X-factor.  Not about restricting the hip turn, but increasing the differential between the upper body and the hips at the beginning of the downswing, one of the reasons for the pro player's length.  In other words, leading the downswing with the lower body, which is pretty good advice.

There's big world out there.

[iacas]

  Harmonious said:

Originally Posted by Harmonious

You might want to read up on McLean's latest (2008) discussion about his X-factor.  Not about restricting the hip turn, but increasing the differential between the upper body and the hips at the beginning of the downswing, one of the reasons for the pro player's length.  In other words, leading the downswing with the lower body, which is pretty good advice.

There's big world out there.

That's called the X-Factor Stretch and McLean didn't invent that, it was more the biomechanists that used his X-Factor term and added the "stretch" to cover an increase in that angle during transition: http://philcheetham.com/the-importance-of-stretching-the-x-factor-in-the-downswing-of-golf-the-x-factor-stretch/ . Contrary to the Mclean X-Factor stuff, it's a legitimate thing in the golf swing. The X-Factor itself... not so much.

In other words, you're both right.

[JetFan1983]

I've already read about that. Erik's posted about it. The OP was not referring to this, clearly. He specifically said he wanted to restrict his hip turn, and the "X-Factor stretch" is not about restricting the hip turn, as you said.

I'm aware of this bigger world. Bubba Watson, who I referred to my first post as having an enormous backswing hip turn, increases the differential between his hips and shoulders on his downswing by a pretty considerable margin:

So much hip turn his belt buckle is facing the camera.

Shoulders still really closed. Hips have already rotated something like 50 degrees? Insane.

  Harmonious said:

Originally Posted by Harmonious

There's big world out there.

Mmm hmmmm. I agree. Do you really think I'm that close minded though?

[JetFan1983]

Sorry for the double post, but the edit time ran out on the above one.

  boogielicious said:

Originally Posted by boogielicious

JetFan,

You need to stop holding back and tell us how you really feel!  .  Your response made my day!

Hehe, thanks, man. Yea, I figured I'd save the guy his lower back with some tough love. If this was the first ever "should I restrict my hip turn for power" thread, I'd probably have approached it differently. But because this is like the 100th one, I thought I'd go this route this time

[jd924]

Let me play devils advocate here. Go back a good 3-4 years when Anthony Kim was playing well. The guy has little to no hip turn and he bombed it. I wonder how he did it honestly. He most likely could have gotten more power through a larger turn of the hips but instead he choked up and kept his back knee flexed. For some I truly believe that keeping that back knee can be beneficial because it could be easier to hit the ball squarer. What I mean by that is you could have an easier time staying in posture and making crisp contact. Just my two cents.

[JetFan1983]

  jd924 said:

Originally Posted by jd924

Let me play devils advocate here. Go back a good 3-4 years when Anthony Kim was playing well. The guy has little to no hip turn and he bombed it. I wonder how he did it honestly. He most likely could have gotten more power through a larger turn of the hips but instead he choked up and kept his back knee flexed. For some I truly believe that keeping that back knee can be beneficial because it could be easier to hit the ball squarer. What I mean by that is you could have an easier time staying in posture and making crisp contact. Just my two cents.

Yea, I understand what you're saying. Anthony Kim is a good example of someone who can do this. Yani Tseng does this too.

You've really gotta be gifted though to pull it off -- meaning you are flexible enough to do it and still turn your shoulders a lot, not hurt yourself, not let your head sway a bunch, and not turn your shoulders too flat. Sure, if someone can do that comfortably and still hit the ball with power and accuracy, I would agree it's probably fine. Most can't though. Like 99% of people can't.

[jd924]

  JetFan1983 said:

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Yea, I understand what you're saying. Anthony Kim is a good example of someone who can do this. Yani Tseng does this too.

You've really gotta be gifted though to pull it off -- meaning you are flexible enough to do it and still turn your shoulders a lot, not hurt yourself, not let your head sway a bunch, and not turn your shoulders too flat. Sure, if someone can do that comfortably and still hit the ball with power and accuracy, I would agree it's probably fine. Most can't though. Like 99% of people can't.

99%? Can I have some statistical backing for this assumption

[JetFan1983]

  jd924 said:

Originally Posted by jd924

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Yea, I understand what you're saying. Anthony Kim is a good example of someone who can do this. Yani Tseng does this too.

You've really gotta be gifted though to pull it off -- meaning you are flexible enough to do it and still turn your shoulders a lot, not hurt yourself, not let your head sway a bunch, and not turn your shoulders too flat. Sure, if someone can do that comfortably and still hit the ball with power and accuracy, I would agree it's probably fine. Most can't though. Like 99% of people can't.

99%? Can I have some statistical backing for this assumption

Yes, those statistics I believe are somewhere tucked away in a file cabinet in my rear end. I'll check with my secretary ... perhaps a little hyperbole with that post you quoted, but I really only think its just a little.

[jclark]

Leaving your shoulder turn at 90 degrees and starting your hip turn in the downswing is what gives you power, is this what they refer to as disassociation?

[iacas]

  jd924 said:

Originally Posted by jd924

Let me play devils advocate here. Go back a good 3-4 years when Anthony Kim was playing well. The guy has little to no hip turn and he bombed it. I wonder how he did it honestly. He most likely could have gotten more power through a larger turn of the hips but instead he choked up and kept his back knee flexed. For some I truly believe that keeping that back knee can be beneficial because it could be easier to hit the ball squarer. What I mean by that is you could have an easier time staying in posture and making crisp contact. Just my two cents.

Anthony Kim is one of the only people I've ever seen do this on the PGA Tour.

Exceptions to every rule. And he may not even be an exception - he might have hit the ball longer with a little hip turn. We don't know.