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"Why can I hit my irons ok but slice my driver off the planet?" OR "Why does my 3 wood go farther than my driver?" These are two common questions we see on The Sand Trap and I wanted to put this

Most likely it's an angle of attack issue, hitting down with the driver. Could be playing the ball too far back with the driver.

Yes. I tend to draw it from a square stance but I am trying to hit more "power" fades off the tee. There are a few holes on my home course where I have to fade it (or curve it more than a fade) and I'

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Good post Mike.  Very informative.

Who is that guy in the back?  He looks like he could use your setup advice.  In the top photo, he is looking exactly like your left photo.

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Good post Mike.  Very informative.

Who is that guy in the back?  He looks like he could use your setup advice.  In the top photo, he is looking exactly like your left photo.

Yep, told you it was a common position! That guy is a range rat, I don't typically offer advice unless I'm asked.

The looks I get when I'm making my "slice" swings are pretty funny though ;-)

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Question for @mvmac- What do you recommend differently for someone with a higher swing speed? Like 117mph?

Good question....same thing. This is how I set-up to hit my driver.

I added that to the OP for clarification.

Couple touring pros

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A few questions, if I may.

Upfront. I really liked the explantion, pictures etc.. Thanks!!

Correct me if I am wrong.

I tend to tee it lower. I am afraid to tee it higher, because I think I hit those high balls that will have you saying "Houston, we have a problem." Teeing it high in combination of hitting a bit up may help you launch the ball higher? Or teeing it a bit higher in combination with a slide (left leg over anckle) makes sure that the high balls are a bit eliminated? 5th frame, the right picture.

I place the ball at the instep of my left toe (if I could see that with my feet in my shoes), not at the back of my foot. would there be a bit of shaft lean with the driver or not. I would say that the shaft leans to the right, but the bumping of the hip to the left (which I do) should create a tiny bit of shaft lean to the left. But on the pictures it shows not.

Last question, on the top of the backswing, it looks like you have a level hip turn. Based on you belt. did I notice that correctly or is the right hip slightly higher than the left hip?

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Correct me if I am wrong.

I tend to tee it lower. I am afraid to tee it higher, because I think I hit those high balls that will have you saying "Houston, we have a problem." Teeing it high in combination of hitting a bit up may help you launch the ball higher? Or teeing it a bit higher in combination with a slide (left leg over anckle) makes sure that the high balls are a bit eliminated? 5th frame, the right picture.

Yes that's the idea, we want to launch it high with low spin, a positive angle of attack helps us do that.

I place the ball at the instep of my left toe (if I could see that with my feet in my shoes), not at the back of my foot. would there be a bit of shaft lean with the driver or not. I would say that the shaft leans to the right, but the bumping of the hip to the left (which I do) should create a tiny bit of shaft lean to the left. But on the pictures it shows not.

It's not really a big deal, can have it leaning a little forward or neutral, just don't have it leaning back too much.

Last question, on the top of the backswing, it looks like you have a level hip turn. Based on you belt. did I notice that correctly or is the right hip slightly higher than the left hip?

It may appear that way because my right hip has turned behind me and having more axis tilt at A1 can "shallow" out the hips a little but the hips are definitely not level. Left knee has gained flex and the rear leg has lessened in flex, that will allow the right hip to rise as it turns around.

Pic illustrating where the hip joints would be.

I'm also swinging a long club with a ball off a tee trying to hit up on it slightly. A slightly more "shallow" turn is all good.

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It may appear that way because my right hip has turned behind me and having more axis tilt at A1 can "shallow" out the hips a little but the hips are definitely not level. Left knee has gained flex and the rear leg has lessened in flex, that will allow the right hip to rise as it turns around.

Plus, hips tend to appear level from face-on. Look at the rear view and see what you see. Or take a look at the apparent differences in this still shot:

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Plus, hips tend to appear level from face-on. Look at the rear view and see what you see. Or take a look at the apparent differences in this still shot:

Yeah, I guess I should have just put up the dtl view :-D

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Dear @mvmac ,

When doing the backswing, left knee gaining flex, right losing and straighten a bit, which direction is the left knee going?  I see your left knee not moving much to the right.  Does that due to more weight on the left.  I see many other players move their left knee more to the centre, however, does that also move the hip to the right (slide)?

Attached is a graphic by golf digest on Sam Snead showing the left knee more backward on the top.


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Dear @mvmac,

When doing the backswing, left knee gaining flex, right losing and straighten a bit, which direction is the left knee going?  I see your left knee not moving much to the right.  Does that due to more weight on the left.  I see many other players move their left knee more to the centre, however, does that also move the hip to the right (slide)?

Left knee moves in a similar direction as the left shoulder, down and in. My left knee goes from outside my left hip joint to inside of it by A4. The left knee moving inwards helps keep the hips centered and turning.

Does that due to more weight on the left.  I see many other players move their left knee more to the centre, however, does that also move the hip to the right (slide)?

My weight isn't left on the backswing, I'm "loading" right.

Attached is a graphic by golf digest on Sam Snead showing the left knee more backward on the top.

BTW it's from Arnie

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/2009-0909/photos_gdtimelesstips_arnoldpalmer#slide=17

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HAHA!!!! How did I know that Robert Rock would be an example! You guys absolutely love him. He was the only example I got in Evolvr! That said....he does so many things so well it's weird he hasn't been better. I digress....I love these threads. I print each out with examples and think only of one portion during a range session. It's been incredibly helpful! I know you guys don't much care for fairway talk but since I started doing that my Fairway hit percentage has gone up to 60 percent! I always hit my driver far but not with that kind of accuracy so it's been very helpful! Last week I split the fairway twice with a 310 and 320 yard drive! It's been incredible!
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Furthermore, did you see the swing pictures of the Japanese tour pro (forgot his name) in the latest issue of Golfdigest (with Michelle Wie on the front page). One comment below those pictures in the magazine was that the player was bending his left knee but keeping his right leg in the same flex (not straightening) in order to prevent a reverse pivot. Also, that he was loading to the right side and staying centered. I would almost say that would be a contradiction, but I am no golf guru. What's your take on that? Because I feel his swing has a lot of things you have posted in this thread.

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Furthermore, did you see the swing pictures of the Japanese tour pro (forgot his name) in the latest issue of Golfdigest (with Michelle Wie on the front page). One comment below those pictures in the magazine was that the player was bending his left knee but keeping his right leg in the same flex (not straightening) in order to prevent a reverse pivot. Also, that he was loading to the right side and staying centered. I would almost say that would be a contradiction, but I am no golf guru. What's your take on that? Because I feel his swing has a lot of things you have posted in this thread.

Check this thread out for more information on the flex in the back knee.

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its Mr Byrd, but yes, his stance appears to be slightly open compared to his alignment stick.  his open stance makes his left foot seem not as flared as it really is.

Furthermore, did you see the swing pictures of the Japanese tour pro (forgot his name) in the latest issue of Golfdigest (with Michelle Wie on the front page). One comment below those pictures in the magazine was that the player was bending his left knee but keeping his right leg in the same flex (not straightening) in order to prevent a reverse pivot. Also, that he was loading to the right side and staying centered. I would almost say that would be a contradiction, but I am no golf guru. What's your take on that? Because I feel his swing has a lot of things you have posted in this thread.

 

letting the right leg straighten a bit will help you make a centered turn, not the opposite.

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I love these threads. I print each out with examples and think only of one portion during a range session. It's been incredibly helpful!

I'm going to have to start doing that.

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Maybe a little, could be the camera angle, only talking a few degrees. Body is definitely not aimed left and that is what's most important. Point of me posting the pic was to show the ball location, axis tilt and foot flares.

Furthermore, did you see the swing pictures of the Japanese tour pro (forgot his name) in the latest issue of Golfdigest (with Michelle Wie on the front page). One comment below those pictures in the magazine was that the player was bending his left knee but keeping his right leg in the same flex (not straightening) in order to prevent a reverse pivot. Also, that he was loading to the right side and staying centered. I would almost say that would be a contradiction, but I am no golf guru. What's your take on that? Because I feel his swing has a lot of things you have posted in this thread.

 

Haven't seen it but I obviously disagree with the reverse pivot and loading right stuff. Knee linkage helps the golfer turn his hips centered and you still load into your right if you lessen flex in the rear knee.

Golf magazines are generally NOT the place to look for credible information.

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