Fox News

[saevel25]

OMG

There is a reason why I do not watch any of the major news networks anymore. They are bat shit crazy!

[Lefty-Golfer]

networks might be bat shit crazy as you say - the clip is certainly made to get emotion and life is all about levels but i do think there is some truth some of her comments.

The one thing that is universally understood is force, if you take one of ours you going to lose 10 of yours, if that doesn't work next time you lose 100 or 1000 or whatever makes the cost high enough that the fight is not worth having.

Nobody is attacking them and it should be very clear to them that if they want to think about attcking us it will be a cost so high they won't do it...that is obviously not going to happen with our current President but maybe next election we will vote a for a person with actual backbone and leadership skills. What would Reagan do??

“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.”
― Ronald Reagan , U.S.S.R. U.S.A. Summit, Moscow, May 29 June 2, 1988

oh man how bad do we need another Ronnie Reagan!!!

[Golfingdad]

OMG

There is a reason why I do not watch any of the major news networks anymore. They are bat shit crazy!

Agreed.  And even though it's technically off-topic, just to show that crazy lives everywhere ...

Nancy Grace is all kinds of nuts.  If she has no argument, she just yells and interrupts and be's a complete jerk to whoever she's talking to.  "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!?!?!?!"

[Patch]

Use to be the news media reported facts that protected the average Joe by keeping them informed. Now days they just repeat  what their handlers want them to tell today's average Joe.

[phan52]

networks might be bat shit crazy as you say - the clip is certainly made to get emotion and life is all about levels but i do think there is some truth some of her comments.

The one thing that is universally understood is force, if you take one of ours you going to lose 10 of yours, if that doesn't work next time you lose 100 or 1000 or whatever makes the cost high enough that the fight is not worth having.

Nobody is attacking them and it should be very clear to them that if they want to think about attcking us it will be a cost so high they won't do it...that is obviously not going to happen with our current President but maybe next election we will vote a for a person with actual backbone and leadership skills. What would Reagan do??

oh man how bad do we need another Ronnie Reagan!!!

Reagan? Wait a minute . . .  isn't he the guy who was President when our Embassy in Beirut was car-bombed and 63 people were killed? And six months later another car-bomb in Beirut killed over 300 people including 251 Marines? How could that happen again and so soon? How irresponsible! How is it that the Democratic Congress at the time didn't hold Reagan responsible? Hell, impeachment should have been on the table!

Now imagine that if that happened under Obama's watch or, God forbid, another 9/11 in today's toxic environment. But what happened then was that the Democratic Congress had an investigation, found out who was responsible and came up with recommendations and actions to insure that it didn't happen again. Now, say "Benghazi". Say it over and over again and TRY to keep it in the forefront, even after it has been investigated to death by multiple Congressional Committees that have tried to no avail to drop it in Obama's lap. Or better yet, Hillary's!

The bottom line is, we live in a dangerous world and sh*t happens. Get the bad guys and make sure we make it hard for them to do it again. But what is happening today is what Fox News has done to this country. There is no rational reason for it other than to keep people uninformed and afraid. For what? Divisive politics to create ratings? Pathetic.

[boogielicious]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lefty-Golfer

networks might be bat shit crazy as you say - the clip is certainly made to get emotion and life is all about levels but i do think there is some truth some of her comments.

The one thing that is universally understood is force, if you take one of ours you going to lose 10 of yours, if that doesn't work next time you lose 100 or 1000 or whatever makes the cost high enough that the fight is not worth having.

Nobody is attacking them and it should be very clear to them that if they want to think about attcking us it will be a cost so high they won't do it...that is obviously not going to happen with our current President but maybe next election we will vote a for a person with actual backbone and leadership skills. What would Reagan do??

oh man how bad do we need another Ronnie Reagan!!!

Reagan? Wait a minute . . .  isn't he the guy who was President when our Embassy in Beirut was car-bombed and 63 people were killed? And six months later another car-bomb in Beirut killed over 300 people including 251 Marines? How could that happen again and so soon? How irresponsible! How is it that the Democratic Congress at the time didn't hold Reagan responsible? Hell, impeachment should have been on the table!

Now imagine that if that happened under Obama's watch or, God forbid, another 9/11 in today's toxic environment. But what happened then was that the Democratic Congress had an investigation, found out who was responsible and came up with recommendations and actions to insure that it didn't happen again. Now, say "Benghazi". Say it over and over again and TRY to keep it in the forefront, even after it has been investigated to death by multiple Congressional Committees that have tried to no avail to drop it in Obama's lap. Or better yet, Hillary's!

The bottom line is, we live in a dangerous world and sh*t happens. Get the bad guys and make sure we make it hard for them to do it again. But what is happening today is what Fox News has done to this country. There is no rational reason for it other than to keep people uninformed and afraid. For what? Divisive politics to create ratings? Pathetic.

Agree.  The media is all about the media now and not information for the public.

[phan52]

This led Prime Minister David Cameron to call this guy a complete idiot, and it  has induced the Mayor of Paris to threaten a lawsuit.

Spreading fear and dumbing down America, one "news"cast at a time.

[RandallT]

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Originally Posted by phan52 /77633/fox-news/144#post_1096882">
 

This led Prime Minister David Cameron to call this guy a complete idiot, and it  has induced the Mayor of Paris to threaten a lawsuit.

Spreading fear and dumbing down America, one "news"cast at a time.

Agreed that his characterization of Muslim enclaves was exaggerated. Hopefully Fox News apologizes for putting out bogus info. They deserve all the mockery and derision for the idea that an entire city is a no-go zone. 

At the same time, let's not demonize anyone who brings up the discussion as necessarily crazy. I hope that discussing the idea of no-go zones is not determined to be politically incorrect. It is a very real topic that needs to be hashed out- civilly.

Here is a long list of respectable sources that are discussing the topic, with specifics. To my knowledge, they are not right-wing nutjobs. Just the regular French press.Have a read- it's rather long.  I followed a few links and translated them via Google, enough to be satisfied that they seemed like legitimate foreign-press stories. 

Quote (http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones):

Despite such politically correct denials, Muslim no-go zones are a well-known fact of life in many parts of Europe.

What follows is the first in a multi-part series that will document the reality of Europe's no-go zones. The series begins by focusing on France and provides a brief compilation of just a few of the literally thousands of references to French no-go zones from academic, police, media and government sources that can easily be found on the Internet by doing a simple search on Google.

Fabrice Balanche, a well-known French Islam scholar who teaches at the University of Lyon, recently told Radio Télévision Suisse: "You have territories in France such as Roubaix, such as northern Marseille, where police will not step foot, where the authority of state is completely absent, where mini Islamic states have been formed."

French writer and political journalist Éric Zemmour recently told BFM TV: "There are places in France today, especially in the suburbs, where it is not really in France. Salafi Islamists are Islamizing some neighborhoods and some suburbs. In these neighborhoods, it's not France, it's an Islamic republic." In a separate interview, Zemmour — whose latest book is entitled, "The French Suicide" — says multiculturalism and the reign of politically correct speech is destroying the country.

French politician Franck Guiot wrote that parts of Évry, a township in the southern suburbs of Paris, are no-go zones where police forces cannot go for fear of being attacked. He said that politicians seeking to maintain "social peace" were prohibiting the police from using their weapons to defend themselves.

The Socialist mayor of Amiens, Gilles Demailly, has referred to the Fafet-Brossolette district of the city as a "no-go zone" where "you can no longer order a pizza or get a doctor to come to the house." Europe 1, one of the leading broadcasters in France, has referred to Marseille as a "no-go zone" after the government was forced to deploy riot police, known as CRS, to confront warring Muslim gangs in the city. The French Interior Ministry said it was trying to "reconquer" 184 square kilometers (71 square miles) of Marseille that have come under the control of Muslim gangs.

The French newspaper Le Figaro has referred to downtown Perpignan as a "veritable no-go zone" where "aggression, antisocial behavior, drug trafficking, Muslim communalism, racial tensions and tribal violence" are forcing non-Muslims to move out. Le Figaro also reported that the Les Izards district of Toulouse was a no-go zone, where Arab drug trafficking gangs rule the streets in a climate of fear.

Separately, Le Figaro reported that large quantities of assault rifles are circulating in French no-go zones. "For a few hundred dollars you can buy Kalashnikovs," political scientist Sebastian Roché said. "The price of an iPhone!"

The newspaper France Soir published poll results showing that nearly 60% of French citizens are in favor of sending the army into troubled suburbs to restore order.

The newspaper Le Parisien has called parts of Grigny, a township in the southern suburbs of Paris, a "lawless zone" plagued by well-organized Muslim gangs, whose members believe they are "masters of the world." The weekly newsmagazine Le Point reported on the spiraling Muslim lawlessness in the French city of Grenoble.

The French magazine L'Obs (formerly known as Le Nouvel Observateur) has reported on the deteriorating security situation in Roubaix, a city in northern France that is located close to the Belgian border. The magazine reported that local citizens are "exiled within their own country" and want to create their own militia to restore order because police are afraid to confront Muslim gangs.

In August 2014, the French magazine Valeurs Actuelles (Contemporary Values) reported that "France has more than 750 areas of lawlessness" where the law of the French Republic no longer applies. Under the headline "Hell in France," the magazine said that many parts of France are experiencing a "dictatorship of riffraff" where police are "greeted by mortar fire" and are "forced to retreat by projectiles."

Separately, Valeurs Actuelles reported on the lawlessness in Trappes, a township located in the western suburbs of Paris, where radical Islam and endemic crime go hand in hand. "Criminals are pursued by Islamic fundamentalists to impose an alternative society, breaking links with the French Republic," according to local police commander Mohammed Duhan. It is not advisable to go there, he says, adding, "You will be spotted by so-called chauffeurs (lookouts for drug traffickers) and be stripped and smashed."

Valeurs Actuelles has also reported on no-go zones in Nantes, Tours and Orléans, which have turned into "battlefields" where the few remaining native French holdouts are confronted with "Muslim communalism, the disappearance of their cultural references and rampant crime."

A graphic 20-minute documentary (in French) about the no-go zone in Clichy Montfermeil, a suburb of Paris, can be viewed here. At around the 3-minute mark, the video shows what happens when French police enter the area.

A 1.5 hour documentary (in French) produced by France's TF1 about Muslim gangs in Parisian no-go zones can be viewed here. A 50-minute documentary (in French) produced by France's TV3 about the no-go zones of Clos Saint-Lazare in northern Paris can be viewed here. A 45-minute documentary (in English) about the no-go zones of Marseilles can be viewed here.

A four-minute video of the most dangerous neighborhoods of France in 2014 can be viewedhere. A three-and-a-half-minute video of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Greater Paris Metropolitan Area can be viewed here. A two-minute video of a no-go zone in Lille can be viewed here. A five-minute video about life in the suburbs of Lyon can be viewed here.

A Russian television (Russia-1) documentary about no-go zones in Paris can be viewed here. The presenter says: "We are in Paris, the Barbès quarter, a few minutes from the famous Montmartre. Finding a European here is almost a mission impossible. Certain Paris streets remind one of an oriental bazaar." He continues: "The Paris banlieues have become criminal ghettoes where even the police dare not enter." Hidden cameras record widespread lawlessness and drug dealing in the area.

A 120-page research paper entitled "No-Go Zones in the French Republic: Myth or Reality?"documented dozens of French neighborhoods "where police and gendarmerie cannot enforce the Republican order or even enter without risking confrontation, projectiles, or even fatal shootings."

Some of the most notorious no-go zone areas in France are situated in the department of Seine-Saint-Denis, a northeastern suburb (banlieue) of Paris that has one of the highest concentrations of Muslims in France. The department is home to an estimated 600,000 Muslims (primarily from North and West Africa) out of a total population of 1.4 million.

Seine-Saint-Denis is divided into 40 administrative districts called communes (townships), 36 of which are on the French government's official list of "sensitive urban zones" or ZUS.

Seine-Saint-Denis — also known locally as "ninety-three" or "nine three" after the first two digits of the postal code for this suburb — has one of the highest unemployment rates in France; more than 40% of those under the age of 25 are jobless. The area is plagued with drug dealing and suffers from some of the highest rates of violent crime in France.

In October 2011, a landmark 2,200-page report, "Banlieue de la République" (Suburbs of the Republic) found that Seine-Saint-Denis and other Parisian suburbs are becoming "separate Islamic societies" cut off from the French state, and where Islamic Sharia law is rapidly displacing French civil law. The report said that Muslim immigrants are increasingly rejecting French values and instead are immersing themselves in radical Islam.

The report — which was commissioned by the influential French think tank, L'Institut Montaigne — was directed by Gilles Kepel, a highly respected political scientist and specialist in Islam, together with five other French researchers.

The authors of the report showed that France — which now has 6.5 million Muslims (the largest Muslim population in European Union) — is on the brink of a major social explosion because of the failure of Muslims to integrate into French society.

The report also showed how the problem is being exacerbated by radical Muslim preachers, who are promoting the social marginalization of Muslim immigrants in order to create a parallel Muslim society in France that is ruled by Sharia law.

The research was primarily carried out in the Seine-Saint-Denis townships of Clichy-sous-Bois and Montfermeil, two suburbs that were ground zero for Muslim riots in the fall of 2005, when Muslim mobs torched more than 9,000 cars.

The report described Seine-Saint-Denis as a "wasteland of de-industrialization" and said that in some areas, "a third of the population of the town does not hold French nationality, and many residents are drawn to an Islamic identity."

Another township of Seine-Saint-Denis is Aubervilliers. Sometimes referred to as one of the "lost territories of the French Republic," it is effectively a Muslim city: more than 70% of the population is Muslim. Three quarters of young people under 18 in the township are foreign or French of foreign origin, mainly from the Maghreb and sub-Saharan Africa. French police are said to rarely venture into some of the most dangerous parts of the township.

The southern part of Aubervilliers is well known for its vibrant Chinese immigrant community along with their wholesale clothing and textile warehouses and import-export shopping malls. In August 2013, the weekly newsmagazine Marianne reported that Muslim immigrants felt humiliated by the economic dynamism of the Chinese, and were harassing and attacking Chinese traders, who were increasingly subject to robberies and extortion. The situation got so bad that the Chinese ambassador to France was forced to pay a visit to the area.

In response, the Socialist mayor of Aubervilliers, Jacques Salvator, suggested that the violence could be halted if Chinese companies would agree to hire more Arabs and Africans. The Chinese countered that Muslims do not work as hard as the Chinese, that they are more demanding, and that they complain too much, according to Marianne.

After local officials refused to act in the face of increasing Muslim violence, the Chinese threatened to "call on the Chinese mafia" for protection. Muslims responded by launching a petition to have the Chinese expelled from the area.

Also in Aubervilliers, the magazine Charlie Hebdo reported in 2012 that the town hall was obligating non-Muslim men who want to marry Muslim women to convert to Islam first, even though France is ostensibly a secular republic. One such man, Frédéric Gilbert, a journalist, was told:

"You can convert in any mosque in three minutes. All you need do is to repeat 'with conviction and sincerity' this sentence: 'I recognize that there is no god but Allah and that Mohammed is his prophet,' and the Imam will agree that you have converted to Islam.'"

In a story entitled, "When Town Hall Mayors become Imams," Charlie Hebdo wrote:

"In other words, Moroccan law prevails over French law in cases of mixed marriages and the same situation pertains with regard to other former French colonies such as Tunisia and Algeria as well as with Egypt."

According to the newspaper Le Parisien, the practice of "false conversions" to Islam is widespread because most non-Muslim grooms prefer fake conversions rather than to suffer "administrative complications."

In 2014, Le Figaro published the contents of a leaked intelligence document that warns about the imposition of Islamic Sharia law in French schools in Muslim ghettoes. The 15-page document provides 70 specific examples of how Muslim radicals are taking over ostensibly secular schools throughout the country. These include: veiling in playgrounds, halal meals in the canteen, chronic absenteeism (bordering 90% in some parts of Nîmes and Toulouse) during religious festivals, clandestine prayer in gyms or hallways. The report details how "self-proclaimed young guardians of orthodoxy" are circumventing the March 2004 law banning religious symbols in French schools. In Marseille, a high school principal testified that some of her students pray with such fervor that they have "blue foreheads."

A video showing a radical Islamic rally in Saint-Denis can be viewed here. A video showing radical Muslims commandeering a French bus amid screams of "Allahu Akbar!" (Allah is greater!) can be viewed here. A series of eight videos documenting Muslim street prayers in Paris can be viewed here. (Street prayers have now been outlawed.) A series of 25 videos documenting the Islamization of France can be viewed here.

In July 2012, the French government announced a plan to reassert state control over 15 of the most notorious no-go zones. The crime-infested districts, which the French Interior Ministry has designated as Priority Security Zones (Zones de Sécurité Prioritaires, or ZSP), include heavily Muslim parts of Amiens, Aubervilliers, Avignon, Béziers, Bordeaux, Clermont-Ferrand, Grenoble, Lille, Lyon, Marseilles, Montpellier, Mulhouse, Nantes, Nice, Paris, Perpignan, Strasbourg, Toulouse and many others. The number of ZSPs now stands at 64; a complete list of ZSPs can be found here.

Meanwhile, a 13-minute Hungarian television documentary (with English subtitles) about no-go zones in Paris can be viewed here. The presenter interviews a French crime reporter named Laurent Obertone, who is the author of a bestselling new book entitled, "La France Orange Méchanique" (France: A Clockwork Orange).

In his book, Obertone writes that France is descending into a state of savagery and that the true magnitude of crime and violence across the country is being deliberately under-reported by politically correct media, government and police.

In the documentary, Obertone states: "The French elite became outraged when [former French President Nicolas] Sarkozy referred to [Muslim] immigrants attacking police as 'mobs'."

The Hungarian presenter then asks: "What if we went to the suburbs?" Obertone replies: "I do not recommend this. Not even we French dare go there anymore. But nobody talks about this in public, of course. Nor do those who claim, 'long live multiculturalism,' and 'Paris is wonderful!' dare enter the suburbs."

[Gunther]

Agreed that his characterization of Muslim enclaves was exaggerated. Hopefully Fox News apologizes for putting out bogus info. They deserve all the mockery and derision for the idea that an entire city is a no-go zone.  At the same time, let's not demonize anyone who brings up the discussion as necessarily crazy. I hope that discussing the idea of no-go zones is not determined to be politically incorrect. It is a very real topic that needs to be hashed out- civilly. Here is a long list of respectable sources that are discussing the topic, with specifics. To my knowledge, they are not right-wing nutjobs. Just the regular French press.Have a read- it's rather long.  I followed a few links and translated them via Google, enough to be satisfied that they seemed like legitimate foreign-press stories.

That is some scary stuff that too many aren't hearing about thanks to our leftist media.

[phan52]

Agreed that his characterization of Muslim enclaves was exaggerated. Hopefully Fox News apologizes for putting out bogus info. They deserve all the mockery and derision for the idea that an entire city is a no-go zone.

At the same time, let's not demonize anyone who brings up the discussion as necessarily crazy. I hope that discussing the idea of no-go zones is not determined to be politically incorrect. It is a very real topic that needs to be hashed out- civilly.

Here is a long list of respectable sources that are discussing the topic, with specifics. To my knowledge, they are not right-wing nutjobs. Just the regular French press.Have a read- it's rather long.  I followed a few links and translated them via Google, enough to be satisfied that they seemed like legitimate foreign-press stories.

The fact remains that Fox News made the "No-Go Zone" stories up and had to apologize. An additional fact is that they appear to have twisted what are known as "sensitive urban zones" into dangerous Muslim enclaves. France define these areas because of their socioeconomic status and are characterized by high unemployment, public housing and poor educational opportunities. Basically, poor urban centers. Since there are a lot of poor immigrants from the Muslim world in these areas, Fox and their pundits took the leap to present these areas as unsafe because of the Muslim connection when, in reality, they are just dicey urban areas, which is a universal occurrence.

[RandallT]

The fact remains that Fox News made the "No-Go Zone" stories up and had to apologize. An additional fact is that they appear to have twisted what are known as "sensitive urban zones" into dangerous Muslim enclaves. France define these areas because of their socioeconomic status and are characterized by high unemployment, public housing and poor educational opportunities. Basically, poor urban centers. Since there are a lot of poor immigrants from the Muslim world in these areas, Fox and their pundits took the leap to present these areas as unsafe because of the Muslim connection when, in reality, they are just dicey urban areas, which is a universal occurrence.

Well, it's good to hear Fox apologized. Media should be held to a high standard, and they need to be humbled when they put out information that is incorrect and misleading. I agree they drew a logical link that was not there. Their logic appears to be:

"Portions of city (the " banlieue") are dangerous and police sometimes fear going in." PLUS "Many of those in the "banlieue" are Muslim immigrants"....

THEREFORE "The banlieue exist because of radical Islam"

That logic does not fly unless they can show more proof or evidence. The issue is far more complicated. There is likely a more criminal element to the phenomenon, rather than a religious aspect. The underlying topic is very important, however, and they did it a disservice. It is worthy of discussion, as the French have tried for a long time.

The term "no go" zone is probably not helpful, but it has been used for a long time, probably incorrectly in most instances- and not solely by Fox News. Let's remove that term from the discussion, I say.  The problem of difficult areas still remains, as the French government admits in the "ZUS" list here: http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/.

FWIW, I've never interpreted "no go" as meaning a place where literally nobody could go because they were non-Muslim. My interpretation is that it is risky to go there, because of criminal behavior. The burning of the cars, for example. The message is: don't come here or your car could be burned- that's a deterrent. Not an exclusion- but a clear warning that stopping to park for a short time is likely not too smart. Who would want to risk that? I think France averages over 100 burned cars per day in the banlieue, more at night and on specific events like New Years. Crazy. Easier to stay away... hence "no go" through intimidation and reputation.  I never thought it was an "official" designation. Nor an absolute rule, strictly enforced. Just a colloquial turn of phrase. In the US, we might call them "sketchy" areas. Maybe I'm off-base with that.

Here are some more links to stories on the topic. I'll just let them speak for themselves, and people can draw their own conclusions if this is (and has been) a problem or not. People can decide for themselves if this is beyond a typical US urban problem. We all might draw different conclusions.

Extreme World (Episode 4): The Marseille Connection, March 2014. A guy named Ross Kemp goes to dangerous areas of the world: Congo prisons, etc.  Here's a show from Marseille. At the start he refers to "no go zones". I've skipped it ahead below until he enters the "estate," controlled by a drug empire.

At 27:30, their car is hit by a huge chunk of ice as a threat to the visitors. These kinds of stories make me think that the criminal element is perhaps more relevant than the religious element. Is this typical of a US City? It seems worse, to me.

There are some parts of the tour through the estate where I wonder if Mr Kemp is imagining things! Everybody on a scooter he thinks is a spy- it's kind of funny. "Hey look another one." How does he know?  But overall, he demonstrates the danger in approaching one of these large public housing complexes. Compelling stuff.

New Republic (January 8, 2015):

[Gunther]

Well, it's good to hear Fox apologized. Media should be held to a high standard, and they need to be humbled when they put out information that is incorrect and misleading. I agree they drew a logical link that was not there. Their logic appears to be: "Portions of city (the "[COLOR=333333]banlieue") [/COLOR]are dangerous and police sometimes fear going in." PLUS "Many of those in the "banlieue" are Muslim immigrants".... THEREFORE "The banlieue exist because of radical Islam" That logic does not fly unless they can show more proof or evidence. The issue is far more complicated. There is likely a more criminal element to the phenomenon, rather than a religious aspect. The underlying topic is very important, however, and they did it a disservice. It is worthy of discussion, as the French have tried for a long time. The term "no go" zone is probably not helpful, but it has been used for a long time, probably incorrectly in most instances- and not solely by Fox News. Let's remove that term from the discussion, I say.  The problem of difficult areas still remains, as the French government admits in the "ZUS" list here: [URL=http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/]http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/[/URL]. FWIW, I've never interpreted "no go" as meaning a place where literally nobody could go because they were non-Muslim. My interpretation is that it is risky to go there, because of criminal behavior. The burning of the cars, for example. The message is: don't come here or your car could be burned- that's a deterrent. Not an exclusion- but a clear warning that stopping to park for a short time is likely not too smart. Who would want to risk that? I think France averages over 100 burned cars per day in the banlieue, more at night and on specific events like New Years. Crazy. Easier to stay away... hence "no go" through intimidation and reputation.  I never thought it was an "official" designation. Nor an absolute rule, strictly enforced. Just a colloquial turn of phrase. In the US, we might call them "sketchy" areas. Maybe I'm off-base with that.

Props for your research on this topic Randall, thanks for enlightening!

[Gunther]

Fox is hosting a Dem town hall tonight.  Surprised Hillary agreed to it.  As many are unaware, Fox is decidedly center, right and has been trending more to the center throughout this election cycle.

My guess is they will handle both candidates with kid gloves tonight, theyll be much much easier than they've been on Trump or Cruz.  They want the Dems to come back, they don't like being seen as right wing and hammering these candidates would solidify that because a lot of lefty eyes will be watching tonight.

We'll see what happens, should be interesting but I'm prepared to be disappointed.

[Gunther]

8 hours ago, Gunther said:

Fox is hosting a Dem town hall tonight.  Surprised Hillary agreed to it.  As many are unaware, Fox is decidedly center, right and has been trending more to the center throughout this election cycle.

My guess is they will handle both candidates with kid gloves tonight, theyll be much much easier than they've been on Trump or Cruz.  They want the Dems to come back, they don't like being seen as right wing and hammering these candidates would solidify that because a lot of lefty eyes will be watching tonight.

We'll see what happens, should be interesting but I'm prepared to be disappointed.

Glad I prepared for a dud, very disappointed in Bret Baier who wimped out completely, I'm certain under direct orders from Murdoch and Ailes.  Damn Fox.

Bush tacked left, didn't help him in their eyes, they continued to ravage him mercilessly.

The GOP establishment tacks left, doesn't help them as the left wing media continues to rail on them.

Now Fox News trying to tack left.  Same will happen, the left will continue to pummel the channel as an extremist, right-wing outlet.

Weakness NEVER works.  Another reason Trump is so popular.  Stand up for your principles conservatives!

Edited March 8, 2016 by Gunther