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My Experience Caddying in a Monday Qualifier


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Makes you wonder where did all these people come from? Drawing from the pool of athletes that would have been destined for others sports? The big 3, European football, hockey, tennis, etc... Or did the pool get larger with all the money?

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18 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

And to try and add a little bit of perspective for us handicap golfers here:

  • The course is rated 74.4/136.
  • There were 151 guys who returned a score.
  • The winning score, in terms of handicap differential, was a plus 9.8.
  • Dead last place (3 guys tied for 149th) was a differential of 2.0. 
  • The median (75/76 place) was a plus 3.5. 
  • The average was plus 3.6.

The author of the article summed up the field pretty well too: "And this was a competition for guys who weren't in the field of a middle-tiered event."

Was thinking about this and I have to say it just amazes me how small a difference and skill and performance between these guys and the guys on the big tour. Half of these guys have swings that are more polished than Kevin Na's or a Frederick Jacobson and I am not simply talking about how it looks.

I also think this exactly why some of them never give up on the big dream and keep at it for years playing for scraps on tours that are few tiers removed from the big cheese. You (they) never know when your (their) number is up. It's sorta tragic and exciting at the same time. I will just wait for my bi-weekly auto deposit pay stub..    

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Posted
18 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

And to try and add a little bit of perspective for us handicap golfers here:

  • The course is rated 74.4/136.
  • There were 151 guys who returned a score.
  • The winning score, in terms of handicap differential, was a plus 9.8.
  • Dead last place (3 guys tied for 149th) was a differential of 2.0. 
  • The median (75/76 place) was a plus 3.5. 
  • The average was plus 3.6.

The author of the article summed up the field pretty well too: "And this was a competition for guys who weren't in the field of a middle-tiered event."

Gulp.  :-O

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Was curious to see how the Monday qualifiers did today.

McClain played well. Hope the others turn it around tomorrow and make the cut.

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33 minutes ago, coachjimsc said:

Was curious to see how the Monday qualifiers did today.

McClain played well. Hope the others turn it around tomorrow and make the cut.

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Seems a pretty tall hill to climb for Gore. Surprised to see such a huge difference in scores for him in such a short time frame.

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2 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

Seems a pretty tall hill to climb for Gore. Surprised to see such a huge difference in scores for him in such a short time frame.

He had a quad on 18, his 9th.  That'll leave a mark...

See?  It's not just you and me! ;-) 

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27 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

Seems a pretty tall hill to climb for Gore. Surprised to see such a huge difference in scores for him in such a short time frame.

As a friend of mine who played on tour told me...It's a whole different world once you get inside the ropes on the PGA Tour.

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Pretty sure I've seen it said that there's a bigger gap between a scratch and a pro than there is between a 10 and a scratch...

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33 minutes ago, colin007 said:

Pretty sure I've seen it said that there's a bigger gap between a scratch and a pro than there is between a 10 and a scratch...

I've heard that too, but I'm not sure I agree.  Just handicap-wise, it's close, because pros seem to be mostly in the (plus) mid to high single digit range.  But when you factor in anti-caps, and especially consider that it's apples-to-oranges in the sense that your average 10 cap casual round is nothing like a PGA tour round, then I think it's a bigger jump from 10 to 0 than from 0 to tour pro.

But it's probably fairly close, which is what's important to convey since people tend to try and compare scratch to pro.

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9 hours ago, Golfingdad said:

I've heard that too, but I'm not sure I agree.  Just handicap-wise, it's close, because pros seem to be mostly in the (plus) mid to high single digit range.  But when you factor in anti-caps, and especially consider that it's apples-to-oranges in the sense that your average 10 cap casual round is nothing like a PGA tour round, then I think it's a bigger jump from 10 to 0 than from 0 to tour pro.

But it's probably fairly close, which is what's important to convey since people tend to try and compare scratch to pro.

Sure, but I think people who make that statement are referring to how difficult it becomes to shave strokes once you get that low. As hard as it is to go from -1 to a 0, it's twice as hard to get to a +1. I know it's not right but I'm picturing an inverse variation in my head.

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2 hours ago, colin007 said:

Sure, but I think people who make that statement are referring to how difficult it becomes to shave strokes once you get that low. As hard as it is to go from -1 to a 0, it's twice as hard to get to a +1. I know it's not right but I'm picturing an inverse variation in my head.

Yes, that I will agree with.  It's obviously not really quantifiable, but I'd bet it to be true.:)

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