Playing Golf with Someone Carrying a Weapon

[dsc123]

Gotcha.

[hillis11]

I grew up around guns my whole life. I hunt, fish and shoot sporting clays. Guns really don't bother me when I know people know how to handle the weapons properly. I have my CCW license. I know if you are caring a gun then I hope you have your CCW license.  I know you have had proper training and you know how to handle a gun properly.  So it would not bother me at all if you had one on you or in your bag. It would just give us something else to talk about.

[Golfingdad]

I know if you are caring a gun then I hope you have your CCW license.  I know you have had proper training and you know how to handle a gun properly.

Are you sure?  Everybody who is driving a car around me has had "proper training" too, but that by no means suggests they know how to handle a car.  And this is true about EVERYTHING.  Just because somebody has obtained a license does not mean they know how to properly do whatever it is they obtained that license for.  (It also doesn't guarantee that they will always CHOOSE to do everything correctly even if they know how - as the inspiration for this thread has already proven)  Whether it be a drivers license, an engineering license, a police badge, a train conductors license, pretty much any kind of license.  Sad, but true.

[Gunther]

I grew up around guns my whole life. I hunt, fish and shoot sporting clays. Guns really don't bother me when I know people know how to handle the weapons properly. I have my CCW license. I know if you are caring a gun then I hope you have your CCW license.  I know you have had proper training and you know how to handle a gun properly.  So it would not bother me at all if you had one on you or in your bag. It would just give us something else to talk about.

You are correct as this data confirms. Legal gun ownership is a responsibility citizens take very seriously, unlike drivers with licenses. http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/concealed-carry/

[rehmwa]

Are you sure?  Everybody who is driving a car around me has had "proper training" too, but that by no means suggests they know how to handle a car.  And this is true about EVERYTHING.  Just because somebody has obtained a license does not mean they know how to properly do whatever it is they obtained that license for.  (It also doesn't guarantee that they will always CHOOSE to do everything correctly even if they know how - as the inspiration for this thread has already proven)  Whether it be a drivers license, an engineering license, a police badge, a train conductors license, pretty much any kind of license.  Sad, but true.

I just want people to stop and take their turns at corners.  And turn into the correct lanes.

[Dave2512]

Are you sure?  Everybody who is driving a car around me has had "proper training" too, but that by no means suggests they know how to handle a car.  And this is true about EVERYTHING.  Just because somebody has obtained a license does not mean they know how to properly do whatever it is they obtained that license for.  (It also doesn't guarantee that they will always CHOOSE to do everything correctly even if they know how - as the inspiration for this thread has already proven)  Whether it be a drivers license, an engineering license, a police badge, a train conductors license, pretty much any kind of license.  Sad, but true.

The biggest hurdle to clear in getting a permit is the background check the rest is easy. A handgun training class can be as short as a half day. Once you have the proof of class completion you go the Sheriff's office in the county you reside and pay the fees and that's it. You could have no experience and just that one class is enough to get a permit.

But there is no training for assessing an applicants ability to react appropriately in conflicts that could lead to the use of deadly force. I am never concerned a permit holder doesn't know how to use their weapon just how they will react in certain situations. So yeah I agree it's not a training issue.

[Golfingdad]

The biggest hurdle to clear in getting a permit is the background check the rest is easy. A handgun training class can be as short as a half day. Once you have the proof of class completion you go the Sheriff's office in the county you reside and pay the fees and that's it. You could have no experience and just that one class is enough to get a permit.

But there is no training for assessing an applicants ability to react appropriately in conflicts that could lead to the use of deadly force. I am never concerned a permit holder doesn't know how to use their weapon just how they will react in certain situations. So yeah I agree it's not a training issue.

That's all I was getting at.  Certainly a ton of people - and likely the vast majority - who get CCW's are responsible enough to trust in any situation, but common sense tells me that certainly not all of them are.

[Dave2512]

That's all I was getting at.  Certainly a ton of people - and likely the vast majority - who get CCW's are responsible enough to trust in any situation, but common sense tells me that certainly not all of them are.

The thread that spawned this one is proof. Someone brought a gun to the golf course that was incapable of resolving a confrontation caused by slow play. What's the chance this person has what it takes to react appropriately when life and death is on the line.

[rkim291968]

Heck, I don't even trusty myself with a gun.  Either I am going to kill myself after a snowman hole or shoot at another golfer for hitting his ball over my head while I am still still on green.

[iacas]

The thread that spawned this one is proof. Someone brought a gun to the golf course that was incapable of resolving a confrontation caused by slow play. What's the chance this person has what it takes to react appropriately when life and death is on the line.

Is that person a CCW owner, or just some idiot who brought a gun to the golf course and decided to "show it off"? CCW owners are, per the stats, pretty good at avoiding conflicts and such.

[Golfingdad]

Is that person a CCW owner, or just some idiot who brought a gun to the golf course and decided to "show it off"? CCW owners are, per the stats, pretty good at avoiding conflicts and such.

He had a permit.

[turtleback]

He had a permit.

That has hopefully been taken away from him and a note put in his Permanent File that he cannot have another.

[David in FL]

Are you sure?  Everybody who is driving a car around me has had "proper training" too, but that by no means suggests they know how to handle a car.  And this is true about EVERYTHING.  Just because somebody has obtained a license does not mean they know how to properly do whatever it is they obtained that license for.  (It also doesn't guarantee that they will always CHOOSE to do everything correctly even if they know how - as the inspiration for this thread has already proven) Whether it be a drivers license, an engineering license, a police badge, a train conductors license, pretty much any kind of license .  Sad, but true.

Not directed at you personally, but I always find it interesting that so many choose to assume that people with any of the aforementioned credentials are competent until proven otherwise. But tend to assume the opposite when it comes to the possession/operation of a firearm.

[newtogolf]

Not directed at you personally, but I always find it interesting that so many choose to assume that people with any of the aforementioned credentials are competent until proven otherwise. But tend to assume the opposite when it comes to the possession/operation of a firearm.

That's because the anti-gun movement brain washes people into thinking gun owners are militia wannabe's  or psycho's on power trips that only buy a gun because they want to shoot someone.

I'm not saying this is how @Golfingdad thinks but it appears to be the common mentality.  Meanwhile handguns take the focus away from licensed drivers who put many more peoples lives in danger by driving drunk and texting.

[jusanothajoe]

That's because the anti-gun movement brain washes people into thinking gun owners are militia wannabe's  or psycho's on power trips that only buy a gun because they want to shoot someone.

I'm not saying this is how @Golfingdad thinks but it appears to be the common mentality.  Meanwhile handguns take the focus away from licensed drivers who put many more peoples lives in danger by driving drunk and texting.

Had two oncoming cars swerve into my lane this week. Bet both were texting. I had to run completely off the road to avoid head on collision.

You hit the nail on the head. On a brighter note no one pulled a gun on me or shot at me this week

[David in FL]

That's because the anti-gun movement brain washes people into thinking gun owners are militia wannabe's  or psycho's on power trips that only buy a gun because they want to shoot someone. I'm not saying this is how @Golfingdad thinks but it appears to be the common mentality.  Meanwhile handguns take the focus away from licensed drivers who put many more peoples lives in danger by driving drunk and texting.

Some of it can certainly be attributed to the vocal anti-gun crowd, but I think they're less effective than they like to think, and absolutely losing ground as easily shown by the dramatic increase in pro-carry/2A legislation over the last few years. I think most of it can simply be attributed to genuine ignorance about guns in general, and the process/mindset of those that choose to lawfully carry them in particular. Ok. No golf today. Off to the range. 100 rounds .45 and 100 rounds 9mm, with my buddy. Loser buys the wings and a cold beer afterwards! :-)

[newtogolf]

Had two oncoming cars swerve into my lane this week. Bet both were texting. I had to run completely off the road to avoid head on collision.

You hit the nail on the head. On a brighter note no one pulled a gun on me or shot at me this week

If it was up to me, cell phones would be disabled while the car was moving over 5mph except for emergency 911 calls.  I know it would suck for the passengers but something needs to be done as the tougher laws and fines don't seem to be enough to discourage people from texting or using their phones while driving.

[Gunther]

Poll results are pretty interesting. 80 respondents which is a fairly large sample for this place, results almost equally divided. Not sure what that tells me but clearly the majority here have some tolerance for guns, which is heartening. Full disclosure, I voted door #3, assess then decide.