Taking good balls from range buckets

[iacas]

Are you really saying it's a slippery slope from stealing a ball at a range to murdering someone?

Nope. Those words aren't even in my post. I'm pointing out how silly it is to rationalize one act with another act.

What Im taking issue with is that judgement. You say it yourself: "I hope you don't live you're life by that moral standard?"

You're a thief, and I'm sorry, but the law passes judgment on you. Were I a juror, I'd find you guilty. I think you're committing "bad" acts when you steal range balls. The notion that we don't get to judge other people is flawed. Heck, that's a big part of how children start to solidify their concepts of right and wrong. Everyone judges everyone else.

Yep, sanctimony right there! Or are you saying you've never done anything wrong in your life?

Judge not lest thee be judged.

I don't have anything to hide in being judged. We're judged all the time by other people.

You're taking small judgments as sanctimony. You apparently have a very low bar for calling things "sanctimonious." My horse is not overly high - I simply didn't steal the horse on which I'm sitting.

[Lihu]

Are you really saying it's a slippery slope from stealing a ball at a range to murdering someone?

Judge not lest thee be judged.

No, but there are many other things that might seem small to you as well, and that it's okay to cheat on them too.

[mvmac]

Are you really saying it's a slippery slope from stealing a ball at a range to murdering someone?

Of course not, he didn't say anything close to that.

[newtogolf]

And yes, so what if I'm rationalising, I'm saying that I know for a fact all of the sanctimonious folk on here crying about how bad it is have done far worse acts in other aspects of their life, they just want to get all preachy because, well it's golf isn't it, and that's what golfers seem to do!

I've admitted it theft and I've admitted I have done it on occasion. I'm also saying it's not the crime of the century and I've done plenty of good stuff in life too so I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it. Arguing that I'm ok with theft so I'd be ok with murder is beyond dumb, it's sneaky in itself as clearly I'm not gonna start murdering people am I and claiming it's ok?

Not everybody has the same strict moral compass as you lot. But you'd have me down as the devil for nabbing a decent ball.

Which is why I brought up me donating a kidney. I'm trying to show people that me nabbing a golf ball doesn't make me the devil, in fact I'd be willing to bet that NOBODY in this thread has done anything approaching a 10th of the selflessness act I have done!

"Ahh you know that Ongle? He donated a kidney to a friend of his!"

"Yeah but hehad stolen 2 non range balls from a driving range once, so **** him!"

It's just so ridiculous, the moral outrage of people not fit to clean my clubs!

Why rationalize or justify if you're comfortable admitting you're a thief?  No one has called you a devil or placed judgment beyond stating it's theft which you acknowledge so there's nothing really more to discuss about it.

[Ongle]

I[quote name="iacas" url="/t/84262/taking-good-balls-from-range-buckets/180#post_1195906"] Nope. Those words aren't even in my post. I'm pointing out how silly it is to rationalize one act with another act. You're a thief, and I'm sorry, but the law passes judgment on you. Were I a juror, I'd find you guilty. I think you're committing "bad" acts when you steal range balls. The notion that we don't get to judge other people is flawed. Heck, that's a big part of how children start to solidify their concepts of right and wrong. Everyone judges everyone else. I don't have anything to hide in being judged. We're judged all the time by other people. You're taking small judgments as sanctimony. You apparently have a very low bar for calling things "sanctimonious." My horse is not overly high - I simply didn't steal the horse on which I'm sitting. [/quote] Yep I'm a thief, self confessed as I've stolen at least 2 non range balls from a golf range. Happy now? As you say, you're not being sanctimonious, you're just pointing out how wrong it is. Fine, you think it's wrong, I don't think it's a huge deal. The law says you're right and I'm wrong, I'm ok with that. I think it's sanctimony because no doubt you and everyone else pillorying me I this thread will have broken the law in other aspects of their life, however trivial. The way some of you have gone on though was as though I was justifying taking someones driver out their bag because they'd left their bag unattended. Yes in the eyes of the law theft is theft. Yep as you say, if you were a juror you'd find me guilty. Good for you son. As I say, I bet you guys are super fun at a party?!

[RGoosen]

If someone tells a lie is that person a lier (plural)? If someone takes a range ball and doesn't ask permission (and in your view it is stealing), is that person a thief? I told someone at work the other day they were being stubborn and they got all defensive. I explained to them that I was not labeling them stubborn, but that at that moment I thought they were being stubborn. This is why I don't like labeling people "this or that", or arguing in absolutes..."You always do this" or "You always do that". IMO...this does not encourage healthy dialog. I believe it makes both sides defensive. I don't believe in taking a range ball without asking but I will not label someone who does.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Ongle

Yep I'm a thief, self confessed as I've stolen at least 2 non range balls from a golf range.

We've known you're a thief.

Happy now? As you say, you're not being sanctimonious, you're just pointing out how wrong it is.

I'm simply pointing out that it's wrong, and all of the rationalizing you're doing to justify it to yourself. I'm not saying much about the extent of that wrongness.

Fine, you think it's wrong, I don't think it's a huge deal. The law says you're right and I'm wrong, I'm ok with that.

I never said it was a huge deal either.

I think it's sanctimony because no doubt you and everyone else pillorying me I this thread will have broken the law in other aspects of their life, however trivial.

Look up the definition of "sanctimonious." I'm not saying I'm morally superior let alone making a show of it. I don't need to. On this topic, it's a simple fact.

As I say, I bet you guys are super fun at a party?!

Only petty thieves are fun at parties?

If someone tells a lie is that person a lier (plural)?

It's "liar" and I don't know what you mean by "plural," but yes… they are a liar in that instance. If they continue to tell lies, they are a "liar" in the grander sense.

I get what you're after, @RGoosen , but I think people here are smart enough to suss out the differences between a habitual thief and an occasional one, but whether due to the limitations of language or just laziness in not adding enough adjectives (or whatever), "thief" accurately describes both.

If someone takes a range ball and doesn't ask permission (and in your view it is stealing), is that person a thief?

Same answer. In that instance, yes. If they make a habit of it, then yes for sure.

[Ongle]

No, but there are many other things that might seem small to you as well, and that it's okay to cheat on them too.

So now you calling me a cheater too?! Mods you need to delete peoples posts when they insinuate I cheat?!! I'm actually the most honest player you'll find! I call shots on myself all the time. You people don't know me for shit yet are happy to label me everything under the sun. Not sure this place is for me? Lol

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by Lihu

No, but there are many other things that might seem small to you as well, and that it's okay to cheat on them too.

So now you calling me a cheater too?!

Mods you need to delete peoples posts when they insinuate I cheat?!!

I'm actually the most honest player you'll find! I call shots on myself all the time.

You people don't know me for shit yet are happy to label me everything under the sun.

Not sure this place is for me? Lol

No, I didn't actually mean to call you a cheater, but it's little things like this that slip under the cracks. "You" in the hypothetical sense.

I'm guilty of this type of thinking as well, and am making steps to correct. . .

[Phil McGleno]

As I say, I bet you guys are super fun at a party?!

If you find a fork at the party that does not look like the other forks do you take it?-Then tell the host it is okay because you once donated a kidney?

[Golfingdad]

Could be a number of reasons, but I'm not going to get into reinforcing the other side of the argument. ;-)

Fixed that for ya. ;)

[iacas]

So now you calling me a cheater too?!

Mods you need to delete peoples posts when they insinuate I cheat?!!

He didn't call you a cheater.

Chill out.

[tefunk]

I As I say, I bet you guys are super fun at a party?!

I've always been a huge hit at Tupperware and jewelry parties...

[Lihu]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lihu

Could be a number of reasons, but I'm not going to get into reinforcing the other side of the argument.

Fixed that for ya. ;)

Not sure what you fixed, but thanks.

[Ongle]

I literally couldn't give two ****s about you're moral superiority! Which you are 100% making a show of by going on about it endlessly. I can justify whatever I want to myself and you can't do dick to me for it can you? All this over 2 ****ing golf balls, it's beyond pathetic! Do me a favour, don't quote me back on this, I'm done. I'm off to steal a car from a cancer ward car park

[tefunk]

Do me a favour, don't quote me back on this, I'm done. I'm off to steal a car from a cancer ward car park

That seems like a pretty mean thing to do

[Kenny Lee]

Hang in there, Ongle. I hope you stick around. It's sad that the powers see necessary to bully the new guy.

The real crime here is not about range balls. It's that you don't agree with them.

I wonder how many of these 'holier than thou' types have:

1) driven a car after having a few cocktails, or

2) cheated on their spouse, or

3) lied to anyone, ever, or

4) failed to pay tax on a internet purchase,

5) etc, etc, etc

But you damn well better believe they'd NEVER consider picking a brand new ProV from a range bucket. Not a chance.

[tefunk]

Hang in there, Ongle. I hope you stick around. It's sad that the powers see necessary to bully the new guy.  The real crime here is not about range balls. It's that you don't agree with them. I wonder how many of these 'holier than thou' types have: 1) driven a car after having a few cocktails, or 2) cheated on their spouse, or 3) lied to anyone, ever, or 4) failed to pay tax on a internet purchase, 5) etc, etc, etc But you damn well better believe they'd NEVER consider picking a brand new ProV from a range bucket. Not a chance.

I don't believe anyone said they've never done anything wrong... They're just not being delusional about whether or not something, is in fact, considered stealing.