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[Missouri Swede]

6 hours ago, iacas said:

Mine do not appear to be dead on. Again, yesterday, GG says I lost 2.09 strokes putting to scratch while Strokes Gained from Broadie's data says I lost about 0.9 to a PGA Tour player.

If that's because they're mixing in the strokes gained putting data from people who don't care about or edit their putting data, then that could explain why.

One source of the problem may be that their instructions say--at least in one part of their website--that they aren't providing information about putting distance.  The Strokes Gained feature should make that untrue; the putting distances should be reflected in SG from what I've learned here.  Maybe they didn't have SG in mind when they posted the instructions.

But if people are (or were) following this guidance, this sets up the GI part of GIGO--people were told that editing hole location was not important; people might also infer that editing putt locations would also be unnecessary.  There may be a lot of user data that is irrelevant for any SG calculation.

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How does it know where the hole is?

Because hole location changes every day, we do not provide the exact hole location for each green. By default we place the pin in the center of the green, and then place the approximate location of the hole within 2 feet of your second or third putt. There's no need to tag the position of the hole, as we do not provide putting stats in feet (measurements) and instead track how many putts you take, average putts per hole, and average number of 1 putts, 2 putts, 3 putts, etc.

 

[iacas]

4 minutes ago, Missouri Swede said:

One source of the problem may be that their instructions say--at least in one part of their website--that they aren't providing information about putting distance.

That information is out-dated. They do track putting stats (distances) now.

I think that's simply an "old" post.

4 minutes ago, Missouri Swede said:

But if people are (or were) following this guidance, this sets up the GI part of GIGO--people were told that editing hole location was not important; people might also infer that editing putt locations would also be unnecessary.  There may be a lot of user data that is irrelevant for any SG calculation.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

[Missouri Swede]

3 minutes ago, iacas said:

That information is out-dated. They do track putting stats (distances) now.

I think that's simply an "old" post.

Yeah, but it's still there today in their instructions.  I copied it from their website as I posted.

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, Missouri Swede said:

Yeah, but it's still there today in their instructions.  I copied it from their website as I posted.

Yep, I know… That's why I said I think it's out-dated information. They probably forgot it was there.

Quickly looking… yeah…

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LAST UPDATED - AUG 25, 2014 02:37PM PDT

https://gamegolf.desk.com/customer/portal/articles/1447662-how-does-it-know-where-the-hole-is-?b_id=7220

[Dave2512]

1 hour ago, Lihu said:

Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me either.

What's worse is assume if they mention it I must have had a couple lately. 

[Lihu]

2 minutes ago, Dave2512 said:

What's worse is assume if they mention it I must have had a couple lately. 

Par 5 second shots?

[Dave2512]

3 minutes ago, Lihu said:

Par 5 second shots?

Doubt it my scoring average on par 5's is close to par. Just some random GG nonsense. 

[kickingwater]

On 11/13/2015 at 10:34 AM, billchao said:

I don't buy it. I should be losing a lot more strokes off the tee, IMO. A lot of my tee shots can be OB, lost, or put me in terrible positions for the approach shot, which I believe is skewing the stats for the approach shots. If I hit a tree on my approach and the ball ricochets backwards 40 yards, the blame lies on having put myself in that position off the tee in the first place.

Does GG take penalty strokes into consideration? That would definitely add to your long game strokes gained stats. I don't use GG but have been using strokesgainedgolf.com for the past couple of years. I know that one takes into account penalties of various types, and differentiates between those that impact strokes gained and those that do not.

[b101]

Posted this in my swing thread, but figured I'm more likely to get feedback here. I first decided to look at mine vs. a 10 capper - my main target is to get to single figures by the end of next year. The data is way different to where I thought it'd be: I play with a lot of people at a similar handicap so I know my short game is decent, but my putting definitely hasn't been - I'm certainly not gaining anything over the guys I play with! The approaches are ok, but nothing spectacular and I know I can gain way more off the tee - I'm definitely losing more than 0.02. Either this or I massively overestimate in my mind how good a 10 handicapper really is...

Compared to scratch and my advice:

Completely agree with the putting suggestion, but I'm losing way more strokes than that to a scratch player.

• My putting has been abysmal, both with lag putts and holing anything from inside 10 feet (hopefully it's turning a corner though).
• I think I can gain way more off the tee as good drives set up more wedge shots or low irons in given my distance. Additionally, cutting out the odd awful strike would clear out the doubles from my cards, except maybe on par threes.
• For all I agree with the approach being the highest, it's getting GIR from the fairway that'll get that there, not par 3 tee shots between 125 and 150 yards, which oddly, I'm actually quite good at!
  (Edit: checking the data they're taking shows that actually, the tee box filter doesn't work and they mean all approaches from 125-150, which I'm ok with). 
• Short game is ok, and that's always just practice, practice, practice. Surprised bunkers don't get a mention to be honest, as I rarely ever make sand saves.

Edited April 9, 2016 by b101

[mailman]

I am really struggling with the putter at the moment! Far too many stupid three putts! On the other hand, I was really pleased with the comparison against a stretch player for 125-150 yard approach shots (or anything!!) ...first time Ive ever been under for my handicap in the comparison to a scratch player :)

But yeah, putting is killing me big time!

Regards

Mailman

 

Edited April 13, 2016 by mailman

[Lihu]

I'm still trying to figure out what all this means.

I edited the putts in the last 5 rounds and got this:

As opposed to all rounds where I got this:

I have no idea why my putting is even worse where I edited the rounds correctly. I felt like my putting was pretty awesome the last few rounds (How the heck do you get less than 1 and 2 putts?). Also, chipping was not too bad as well? I have no idea why my putting looks so bad compared to anyone actually. At the practice greens, I can pretty much hold my own against pretty much most people. My son would be an exception, but OTOH, he got a 3 putt and a 4 putt and a missed 10 foot eagle for a 44 in his round against his opponents yesterday. "Claims" they were annoying opponents. They still won the match, but he can no longer make fun of my two 5 putts from a couple years ago.

I feel like my approach game can improve a lot from the 38% GG calculated, and my tee shots can improve a lot at 35% FW. Moving from the MP-32 to the more forgiving MP-52 seemed to increase my GIR by 1 or 2 holes per round. They feel pretty good too. I still can't really hit the 5i and 4i that well. Even the 6i is kind of iffy, but I haven't had too much opportunity to use any of these clubs on the course since switching clubs. Regardless of what GG says, I plan to work on my approach game. I think setup and aiming will play a big part in improving. That's going to give me the most improvements.

[bm85]

5 hours ago, Lihu said:

I'm still trying to figure out what all this means.

I have no idea what it means. It looks like if you weren't a bad putter, you'd play off scratch in the first graph. I'd say don't figure out, and be proud of yourself.

 

Edited April 13, 2016 by bm85

[Lihu]

15 minutes ago, bm85 said:

I have no idea what it means. It looks like if you weren't a bad putter, you'd play off scratch in the first graph. I'd say don't figure out, and be proud of yourself.

Yeah, at least it looks like if my putting was better I could at least be a 5 handicap. Only looks like that, but believe me I know that's far from the case. . .

I play a with a few low single digit players and am no where near their ability in terms of distance and accuracy. On a driving range, I might look okay to a 25 handicap, but the quality of the shots from a low single digit handicap are so much better. Hole after hole, they seem to hit the fairway or first cut with their approach shots being nearly bulletproof.

So, the strokes gained makes no sense to me and I tried to understand what Erik posted here:

It's still a mystery to me how it was calculated in GG, but I know what I need to work on. . .pretty much the same thing I've been working on.

[bmartin461]

19 minutes ago, bm85 said:

I have no idea what it means. It looks like if you weren't a bad putter, you'd play off scratch in the first graph. I'd say don't figure out, and be proud of yourself.

 

See if this helps (from the GG website):

For example, let's say you are comparing yourself to a PGA Tour Pro for an 8-foot putt. The PGA Tour Pros average 1.5 strokes to hole out from 8 feet (approximately 50% 1-putt, 50% 2-putt, and virtually 0% 3-putt). Therefore, if you hole out the 8-foot putt, you GAIN 0.5 strokes compared to the Tour Pro. However, if you 2-putt the 8-foot putt, then you LOSE 0.5 strokes compared to the Tour Pro.

So, over the number of holes you played, you averaged more 2-putts than compared to a scratch golfer's performance, to the tune of 12 holes in total (.5 per hole).

At least that is how I read it.

 

[Lihu]

1 hour ago, bmartin461 said:

See if this helps (from the GG website):

For example, let's say you are comparing yourself to a PGA Tour Pro for an 8-foot putt. The PGA Tour Pros average 1.5 strokes to hole out from 8 feet (approximately 50% 1-putt, 50% 2-putt, and virtually 0% 3-putt). Therefore, if you hole out the 8-foot putt, you GAIN 0.5 strokes compared to the Tour Pro. However, if you 2-putt the 8-foot putt, then you LOSE 0.5 strokes compared to the Tour Pro.

So, over the number of holes you played, you averaged more 2-putts than compared to a scratch golfer's performance, to the tune of 12 holes in total (.5 per hole).

At least that is how I read it.

I read it this way as well, but in my last round I had only 1.38 putts per hole and yet it was still shown as a glaring weakness. Very strange. Unless, it took my 1.9 putt putting average overall it doesn't make that much sense to me?

I know what my weakness is at this point, but am really curious about these "insights". Maybe I should just do what Erik suggested and create a new profile and erase everything starting from "scratch"? Or just wait another 15 rounds or so before really looking at these statistics? It seems to knock stuff out of the statistics every 20 rounds or so anyway. . .

I need to change all the clubs in the profile anyway. The clubs are all wrong in my profile. I'll have to fiddle with all these knobs again. . .

 

[No Mulligans]

1 hour ago, Lihu said:

I read it this way as well, but in my last round I had only 1.38 putts per hole and yet it was still shown as a glaring weakness. Very strange. Unless, it took my 1.9 putt putting average overall it doesn't make that much sense to me?

It's looking at it deeper than just putts per hole.  If you were getting it close you could be at 1.38 putts per hole but also didn't put well.

[No Mulligans]

1 hour ago, Lihu said:

I read it this way as well, but in my last round I had only 1.38 putts per hole and yet it was still shown as a glaring weakness. Very strange. Unless, it took my 1.9 putt putting average overall it doesn't make that much sense to me?

Correction to my previous post:

I looked at your round. 8 holes and you missed three putts, 28, 58 and 16 feet.  You made two 6 footers. two 4 footers and the rest were 3 feet or closer.  I'm with you that is very strange that insights would show putting for that round as a glaring weekness.  That looks like scratch level putting to me.  What did it show you for insights for that round only? Could you post a picture of the insights chart.

[iacas]

Stats might not be re-calculated after you edit the round(s) the way you did.

I'd remove the round from your stats, then add it back in. Maybe that'll trigger a re-build of the stats. You're probably seeing your old pre-edited stats.