Presidential Race 2016

[saevel25]

59 minutes ago, Ernest Jones said:

If the goal of the education system is to create worker-bots then I'd say your right. I for one, want are children to learn more than how to be a good worker-bot. Art, history, music, these are all things that play an important role in creating well rounded adults and ensure that we maintain our culture and civilization.  Let's not turn the world into a factory. We should expect more from life. 

The US has to really rethink how they teach kids at the elementary and high school level before tackling college. The US education system is based around conformity, routine, and creating a future subjugate work force. I do think we do a poor job preparing young adults for the reality of the working world. Especially with the blatant lie that colleges guarantee you a job you want in the field you studied for. 

I was lucky enough to know my strengths and to pick a field I enjoyed doing. In the end I could have thrown out about 1/3rd the courses I taken in college. 

[Ernest Jones]

8 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

The US has to really rethink how they teach kids at the elementary and high school level before tackling college. The US education system is based around conformity, routine, and creating a future subjugate work force. I do think we do a poor job preparing young adults for the reality of the working world. Especially with the blatant lie that colleges guarantee you a job you want in the field you studied for. 

I was lucky enough to know my strengths and to pick a field I enjoyed doing. In the end I could have thrown out about 1/3rd the courses I taken in college. 

I think it's healthy for kids to have an interest, and for the education system to nurture those interests, outside of "what will get me the best job". Life is not solely about Work.  

[Lihu]

3 hours ago, Chilli Dipper said:

I wouldn't say that arts education is unnecessary for someone who wants to go to college for computer science. Steve Jobs (who dropped out of college, but then audited every course he could walk into) said the most influential class he sat in on was about calligraphy, and that it led him to developing user-friendly graphic interfaces for Apple computers. The arts encourage students to develop critical thinking skills.

We're getting way off topic, but if it breaks the cycle of circular arguments, I don't mind.

 

59 minutes ago, Ernest Jones said:

I think it's healthy for kids to have an interest, and for the education system to nurture those interests, outside of "what will get me the best job". Life is not solely about Work.  

I agree, a well rounded education is what makes a person "educated". My issues with the current system is that very few teachers are really passionate about teaching. As a result very few children are passionate about learning.

It's like golf, if all you care about is score it makes for a very tedious round. If you enjoy golf, part of the fun is saving a bogey or worse from serious trouble.

The reason I like Trump and Sanders is that they are passionate. The robo-politicians are very much vote and poll driven. I tend to prefer someone who is passionate, then gets more votes because more people believe what he believes.

It's not fun voting for someone who thinks they are a "better" candidate just because they have more experience as if they were from royal blood lines or something. I can do without snobs.

However, we are definitely short on educated interesting people.

[Ernest Jones]

18 minutes ago, Lihu said:

 

I agree, a well rounded education is what makes a person "educated". 

Exactly. Well stated @Lihu

I also don't think we should turn the education system into a corporate training program. Bad enough that we let these multinational ****os off the hook for paying the taxes that pay for schools, libraries, hospitals and roads, but to then take on their costs for developing the workforce that they need at the expense of teaching kids about the world is misguided. 

It's not society's job to train their workforce, it's theirs. And don't tell me that they don't have the money to do so, just take a look at the ridiculous salaries being paid to CEO's who then turn around and claim that paying their workforce a living wage would sink the company. ****ing gross!

But I realize not everyone agrees with a lefty like me!

Viva the revolution! Kill the capitalist pigs in their beds while they're sleeping!!!!

 

Arsehole. 

[saevel25]

2 minutes ago, Ernest Jones said:

It's not society's job to train their workforce, it's theirs. And don't tell me that they don't have the money to do so, just take a look at the ridiculous salaries being paid to CEO's who then turn around and claim that paying their workforce a living wage would sink the company. ****ing gross!

There are 2.2 million employees at Walmart. The CEO of Walmart makes 25.6 million a year. If he kept only 600,000 he could give everyone an 11 dollar yearly raise ;) They are one of the biggest supposed offenders of paying poor wages. Even lowering his pay wouldn't do much. 

It depends on the business. The average McDonalds franchise only has a 6% profit margin. Wages and benefits make up about 30% for fast food restaurants expenses. If you raise the minimum wage by double would double that 30% and make labor and benefits the most costly thing for a fast food franchise. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/mcdonalds-salaries_n_3672006.html

That isn't to say the pay is going out of control. I think there is something wrong. I'm not willing to just throw darts with my lack of knowledge on the complexity of the US economic system. 

[Ernest Jones]

13 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

There are 2.2 million employees at Walmart. The CEO of Walmart makes 25.6 million a year. If he kept only 600,000 he could give everyone an 11 dollar yearly raise ;) They are one of the biggest supposed offenders of paying poor wages. Even lowering his pay wouldn't do much. 

It depends on the business. The average McDonalds franchise only has a 6% profit margin. Wages and benefits make up about 30% for fast food restaurants expenses. If you raise the minimum wage by double would double that 30% and make labor and benefits the most costly thing for a fast food franchise. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/mcdonalds-salaries_n_3672006.html

That isn't to say the pay is going out of control. I think there is something wrong. I'm not willing to just throw darts with my lack of knowledge on the complexity of the US economic system. 

Sounds like the McDonald's Corp is ****ing over their franchises.

[saevel25]

2 minutes ago, Ernest Jones said:

Sounds like the McDonald's Corp is ****ing over their franchises.

Not sure. McDonalds has over 35000 restaurants and 1.7 million employees. The CEO makes 7.9 million. Which is pretty reasonable for being the 2nd largest private employer in the world. 

 

[iacas]

19 hours ago, Chilli Dipper said:

So, Obama sacrificed one part of his campaign platform (transparency) in order to accomplish another part of his campaign platform (passing health care reform).

He also said he'd have all the troops withdrawn from the Middle East within about 90 days or something of his Presidency, and we saw how that worked out.Politicians on the campaign trail lie. Sometimes they do so on purpose, sometimes they do so because they don't know what you can actually do as President.

Spoiler

Let's stick to the topic.

6 hours ago, Chilli Dipper said:

Burger King isn't going to start an IT school.

They might. At least one good enough to train people to do their jobs.

49 minutes ago, Ernest Jones said:

Arsehole. 

How do you figure? He's paid what the market will bear. He has, ostensibly, an elite skill set that you don't possess, nor I, nor some $15/hour worker. Dunkin Donuts has overseen a huge reversal and rebirth in the past few years.

 

Let's avoid the  stuff, please.

[boogielicious]

14 hours ago, saevel25 said:

 

I was lucky enough to know my strengths and to pick a field I enjoyed doing. In the end I could have thrown out about 1/3rd the courses I taken in college. 

But you aimed low. If you worked harder, you could have been a Chemical Engineer!! 

I excelled at math and science in high school. I also got As in Art. I taught myself how to play guitar and piano. I minored in History in college. They are all important. We have vocational schools for students who want to target specific careers. Public schools need to provide a more rounded education in my opinion.

[Braivo]

This is why Trump will, and should, win. 

 

Imagine for just a moment if an American went to Mexico with the USA flag and began waving it in the streets while throwing eggs and verbally assaulting Mexicans? How long would that person last there? 

This is why Trump's message resontates with so many people. His message is simple, America first. Most Americans are tired of watching illegals pour into this country only to disprespect it and take advantage of it. This goes on from coast to coast. 

Our country continues to take care of refugees and illegals while our natural born citizens suffer from a devastated middle class. 

HRC wants open borders and diversity while everyday Americans see that that experiment isn't working. It is ruining Europe and they sure don't want to see it ruin the USA. 

All the talk about Trump being a baffoon is laughable because he has played every major candidate and media outlet like a fiddle since Day 1. He is the smartest man in this race by far, he knows how to get results. He wouldn't be the GOP nominee if he were "presidential" whatever that means anyway. 

DJT is a man that puts his interests first, his company, his family, and he will put the interests of the American people first as well. 

[phillyk]

56 minutes ago, Braivo said:

This is why Trump will, and should, win. 

 

 

This video is not a HRC vs Trump thing.  This is an America vs anti-America thing.  Both left and right sides hate this crap. 

We keep seeing the same old BS, right posts videos of left people doing crappy stuff and violence, then left side likes to mention the KKK supporting Trump and other crap.  These populations of people we keep mentioning are in the tiny minority of support for those sides.  They are NOT the commonality, they are the anomaly.

[saevel25]

1 hour ago, Braivo said:

This is why Trump's message resontates with so many people. His message is simple, America first. Most Americans are tired of watching illegals pour into this country only to disprespect it and take advantage of it. This goes on from coast to coast. 

You should probably thank Obama. Under his presidency the number of guards along the border has doubled. 

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/jul/02/5-myths-about-immigration/

Also note that only 1 in 20 Latinos crossing the border have a criminal record.

Also, the number of Mexican's crossing the border has been dropping since 2010. 

The fact that illegals are taking substantial welfare is false. Most welfare programs bar illegal immigrants from receiving benefits and require proof of immigration status, including food stamps, medicaid and even Obama Care. 

The only people who get all the benefits are the children born to illegal immigrants in this country because they are citizens as defined by the Constitution. Even then that number is about 4 million people. Which is, 1.2% the population of the US. 

It isn't like undocumented workers are taking skilled middle class jobs. They are taking jobs most people do not want to do. 

The middle class needs to realize that the world has changed. Emerging markets overseas, with lower wages has driven manufacturing away from the US. It's about time for them to get with the program instead of living in the past.

1 hour ago, Braivo said:

He is the smartest man in this race by far, he knows how to get results. He wouldn't be the GOP nominee if he were "presidential" whatever that means anyway. 

He has yet to show it. All he does is make inflammatory comments, and racists comments.

Look at the comments he made about the judge who released his Trump University documents. He says the judge should recuse himself because he has Mexican heritage, why? Because Trump's building a wall. It's not even close to being a conflict of interest. All Trump is doing is looking at this guys skin color, his heritage, and saying you can't be partial.

That is absolutely an ignorant racist comment. If that was the case then Trump is basically saying that only White Males should be judges for his trials because he's offended every other ethnicity and gender. 

 

[Braivo]

@saevel25

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282222-former-bush-ag-trump-right-to-challenge-judges-fairness

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He said Curiel’s “Mexican heritage” makes him partial because of Trump’s calls for a wall along America’s southern border with Mexico.

Gonzales on Saturday said Trump has reason beyond just race to doubt Curiel, who is American, will treat him fairly.

“As someone whose own ancestors came to the United States from Mexico, I know ethnicity alone cannot pose a conflict of interests. But there may be other factors to consider in determining whether Trump’s concerns about getting an impartial trial are reasonable.”

Gonzales said Curiel is a member of La Raza Lawyers of San Diego, which Trump aides say is affiliated with a national group vociferously opposing Trump, National Council of La Raza (NCLR).

 

 

[Elmer]

2 hours ago, Braivo said:

This is why Trump will, and should, win. 

 

Imagine for just a moment if an American went to Mexico with the USA flag and began waving it in the streets while throwing eggs and verbally assaulting Mexicans? How long would that person last there? 

This is why Trump's message resontates with so many people. His message is simple, America first. Most Americans are tired of watching illegals pour into this country only to disprespect it and take advantage of it. This goes on from coast to coast. 

Our country continues to take care of refugees and illegals while our natural born citizens suffer from a devastated middle class. 

HRC wants open borders and diversity while everyday Americans see that that experiment isn't working. It is ruining Europe and they sure don't want to see it ruin the USA. 

All the talk about Trump being a baffoon is laughable because he has played every major candidate and media outlet like a fiddle since Day 1. He is the smartest man in this race by far, he knows how to get results. He wouldn't be the GOP nominee if he were "presidential" whatever that means anyway. 

DJT is a man that puts his interests first, his company, his family, and he will put the interests of the American people first as well. 

DT is a Bigot and a fraud. First he says he wants a judge removed because he is of "Mexican decent", when questioned he responds with "I am building a wall".
The he follows up by saying he would not let a Muslim preside over the case because he feels they would be biased against him.
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist..."

So on the topic of " I will have the best people working for me". According to the documents released in the Trump U case we now know that while Trump said he had the best people, the best teachers, he actually had none of that.

I think the Trump U information is once again quite damning as it shows that DT behaves as he likes, tells you everything is great. When in fact we find out that is not the case he blames the victim and the system for hating him.
Watch the below segment and keep in mind DT has indicated he plans on reopening Trump U.

 

I do not feel that DT is competent or calm enough to be in charge of our drones, military or nuclear arsenal. He is too impulsive and has no idea of the concept of judicial review & judicial independence. 
He will Nuke Norway and blame them for getting in the way of China's missile.

Hillary, for all her faults is not a pretentious demagogue! 

[newtogolf]

1 hour ago, Elmer said:

Hillary, for all her faults is not a pretentious demagogue! 

Sure she is, you just refuse to see it.  Ask the Secret Service and Military how she treated them when Bill was POTUS.  Look at how she conducted herself during the Benghazi hearings and during any media interview that doesn't kiss her ass.  She's a pretentious bitch who thinks that she's entitled to be POTUS because she has a vagina.  

[StevenR84]

3 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

Sure she is, you just refuse to see it.  Ask the Secret Service and Military how she treated them when Bill was POTUS.  Look at how she conducted herself during the Benghazi hearings and during any media interview that doesn't kiss her ass.  She's a pretentious bitch who thinks that she's entitled to be POTUS because she has a vagina.  

You couldn't be more wrong. She thinks that she's entitled to be POTUS because of her last name.

 

[newtogolf]

3 minutes ago, StevenR84 said:

You couldn't be more wrong. She thinks that she's entitled to be POTUS because of her last name.

 

That too, but she often plays the woman card.

[Dave2512]

All politicians play whatever card they need to if it helps them earn votes from certain groups of people.