MB's Driving Accuracy Thread

[colin007]

40 minutes ago, Patch said:

I for one, would like to know what TST considers credible, an unreliable source material(s) when it come golf instruction?

I know the book, LSW will be at the top of of the list, which is understandable. But surely there are other avenues of instruction that would work too.

As for unreliable sources, perhaps this information would help others from going down the wrong road of instruction.

Just a thought.

My apologies if this question is off topic, but it came to mind while reading this thread. 

I for one would say that the vast majority of what you see in the two leading golf magazines that they pass off as instruction is pure trash. Especially the illustrated pages at the back of Golf Magazine.

[SavvySwede]

58 minutes ago, Patch said:

I for one, would like to know what TST considers credible, an unreliable source material(s) when it come golf instruction?

I know the book, LSW will be at the top of of the list, which is understandable. But surely there are other avenues of instruction that would work too.

As for unreliable sources, perhaps this information would help others from going down the wrong road of instruction.

Just a thought.

My apologies if this question is off topic, but it came to mind while reading this thread. 

Like the famous supreme court porn case, it is hard to define besides the classic "I know it when I see it" line. But when you post things like Somax videos and think buying a Hammer driver is a good idea you're going deep into nonsenseville.

[colin007]

43 minutes ago, SavvySwede said:

Like the famous supreme court porn case, it is hard to define besides the classic "I know it when I see it" line. But when you post things like Somax videos and think buying a Hammer driver is a good idea you're going deep into nonsenseville.

"Nonsenseville" needs to be capitalized, being a proper noun and all.... 

[SavvySwede]

16 minutes ago, colin007 said:

"Nonsenseville" needs to be capitalized, being a proper noun and all.... 

Pshh. I'm on my phone, so it's lucky that came out right at all.

[natureboy]

Sorry, but Jerry Kelly and Mo Martin in the posted videos both have more secondary axis tilt (away from target) at impact than they do at address.

[Lihu]

7 hours ago, Mike Boatright said:

Here is 2 videos from the most consistent drivers on any professional golf tours right now. You will notice at impact they are very level and are not hanging back much at all. There has to be something to this key being they are in the 80% plus range on driving accuracy stats. There may be someone straighter out there on some tour, but these are what I found and it's pretty clear at impact they don't hang back much and have less,but still some spine tilt at address. Something to think about here if you find your self spraying the ball and would gladly give up 15 yards for more fairways. 

Usually a golfers longest drives are the straightest ones.

[DrvFrShow]

My longest drives were in the fairway, not in the trees, not in the rough. Solid contact in the sweet spot of the club and I did everything right on those swings.

[Rainmaker]

5 hours ago, DrvFrShow said:

My longest drives were in the fairway, not in the trees, not in the rough. Solid contact in the sweet spot of the club and I did everything right on those swings.

Yes, anytime somebody tells me they are "long and wrong" . .I know they are really only one of those things.   

[freshmanUTA]

Here's a key to hitting it straighter: Master 5SK.

 

/thread

[PhxHacker]

What is LSW?

[Missouri Swede]

35 minutes ago, PhxHacker said:

What is LSW?

http://lowestscorewins.com/buy

 

[daa1969]

Best tip for hitting straighter and longer, get more loft! Too many people are going too low on loft! Today it seems the norm is 9.5, i got caught up in this trend too! I have since gone back to the 10.5 and the results are much better. You here a lot that people can hit their 3wood but not driver, y? Mostly because of loft, thats why we tend to be better when the club gets shorter. Also, be weary of these lighter shafts, for me i have found they dont work so well, maybe if you have a slower swing speed, for me just seem to really make me wild, need the weight to keep you in check. For the record my swing speed is in the 105 range. 

[Lilfrier]

21 minutes ago, daa1969 said:

Best tip for hitting straighter and longer, get more loft! Too many people are going too low on loft! Today it seems the norm is 9.5, i got caught up in this trend too! I have since gone back to the 10.5 and the results are much better. You here a lot that people can hit their 3wood but not driver, y? Mostly because of loft, thats why we tend to be better when the club gets shorter. Also, be weary of these lighter shafts, for me i have found they dont work so well, maybe if you have a slower swing speed, for me just seem to really make me wild, need the weight to keep you in check. For the record my swing speed is in the 105 range. 

This helped me a bit as well. I tee the ball VERY low. I started putting it higher, and while I still slice badly, it's less pronounced. Also, I don't tend to hit better when a club gets shorter. I'm decent with my woods and my 9i and PW. The 4i-5i are pretty bad for me, the 3H is decent, and the 6-8 irons are barely passable.

[Mike Boatright]

In reference to this thread everyone who is disagreeing here is doing so in a reckless fashion not related tho this topic! Did you even read the thread and did you watch the videos? I referenced the fact that these are the straightest hitters on any tour. They have minimal spine tilt axis at set up and impact which is an interesting observation being that they are the straightest hitters.

 

On 4/2/2016 at 6:42 AM, Ernest Jones said:

Credibility has now reached the negatives. I'm not sure if you understand the physics of ball flight. But then again, your grammar, punctuation and sentence structure is so ****ing brutal I'm not really sure what you're saying. 

I have said this before show some class act like an adult and less like a golf snob! I have 20+ years of golf knowledge I don't need to prove to anyone my credibility!! Unless of course they are asking if I teach tour players then that would big no so what?

[iacas]

43 minutes ago, Mike Boatright said:

In reference to this thread everyone who is disagreeing here is doing so in a reckless fashion not related tho this topic! Did you even read the thread and did you watch the videos? I referenced the fact that these are the straightest hitters on any tour. They have minimal spine tilt axis at set up and impact which is an interesting observation being that they are the straightest hitters.

Have you responded to the many posts that counter your claims? For example…

On April 2, 2016 at 2:19 PM, natureboy said:

Sorry, but Jerry Kelly and Mo Martin in the posted videos both have more secondary axis tilt (away from target) at impact than they do at address.

Ya think?

Jerry Kelly, wow, look at that axis tilt!

And, of course it's easier to measure accuracy by fairways hit… if you only drive it 240 yards, like Mo Martin.

43 minutes ago, Mike Boatright said:

I have said this before show some class act like an adult and less like a golf snob! I have 20+ years of golf knowledge I don't need to prove to anyone my credibility!! Unless of course they are asking if I teach tour players then that would big no so what?

@Mike Boatright, you have little to no credibility because you haven't established any. You cannot discuss things maturely or intelligently. You make shit up, then lie and say "that's not what I was saying" or "that's off topic."

On April 2, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Mike Boatright said:

I guess... Iv'e played in college mini tours,high school eat sleep and breath golf read books have read hundreds of golf magazine articles study the game you know learn. I'd say i'm very qualified I'm still learning but what is qualified? Some guy who has a class A card works in a shop and has been around the game 5 years and been trained in a facility, or someone like me who has been around the game 20+ years and has extensive knowledge? Who do you trust more a med school grad or a doc who is 60 years old and has experience and has seen the ropes. I have enough knowledge to say I'm qualified to a point.

You're really not qualified, and that's been proven through the many posts you've made here.

If you were qualified, you wouldn't have an epiphany every week. You wouldn't have examples so easily swatted away with two pictures as above. You'd be able to discuss and debate things without resorting to "I've played on the mini tours" (count me, too, among the disbelievers… unless you were one of those who would pay to play and essentially be willing to give up their entry fee with no chance of placing).

On April 2, 2016 at 0:15 PM, Patch said:

I for one, would like to know what TST considers credible, an unreliable source material(s) when it come golf instruction?

I know the book, LSW will be at the top of of the list, which is understandable. But surely there are other avenues of instruction that would work too.

At the very least, someone who can actually explain what it is they're talking about, demonstrate why and how it's beneficial, and engage in a discussion that scrutinizes the idea without having the idea crumble apart (or on the rare occasions it does, to admit you got that one wrong and move on to better ideas).

[Mike Boatright]

10 minutes ago, iacas said:

Have you responded to the many posts that counter your claims? For example…

No I haven't had a chance because I keep getting banned for 3 days because of bad grammar and miscommunication.

10 minutes ago, iacas said:

Jerry Kelly, wow, look at that axis tilt!

And, of course it's easier to measure accuracy by fairways hit… if you only drive it 240 yards, like Mo Martin.

@Mike Boatright, you have little to no credibility because you haven't established any. You cannot discuss things maturely or intelligently. You make shit up, then lie and say "that's not what I was saying" or "that's off topic."

You're really not qualified, and that's been proven through the many posts you've made here.

If you were qualified, you wouldn't have an epiphany every week. You wouldn't have examples so easily swatted away with two pictures as above. You'd be able to discuss and debate things without resorting to "I've played on the mini tours" (count me, too, among the disbelievers… unless you were one of those who would pay to play and essentially be willing to give up their entry fee with no chance of placing).

At the very least, someone who can actually explain what it is they're talking about, demonstrate why and how it's beneficial, and engage in a discussion that scrutinizes the idea without having the idea crumble apart (or on the rare occasions it does, to admit you got that one wrong and move on to better ideas).

Spine tilt backwards at impact is essentially unavoidable,but it appears these straighter hitters minimize this from their original set up position.

Notice that the long hitters appear to tilt back more at impact based one their original set up position? This may not always be the case such as Jason Day and Justin Johnson. I'm not saying setting up with less spine tilt will result in less power but it could increase accuracy if you already have power. If anything it reduces launch angle a bit and might reduce carry distances and maybe a little loss distance with the added benefit of straighter shots.

This is just an observation how can you not see this it's in plain sight?

[iacas]

6 minutes ago, Mike Boatright said:

No I haven't had a chance because I keep getting banned for 3 days because of bad grammar and miscommunication.

You have never been given a warning or had any other penalties because of bad grammar and/or miscommunication.

[Ernest Jones]

1 hour ago, Mike Boatright said:

In reference to this thread everyone who is disagreeing here is doing so in a reckless fashion not related tho this topic! Did you even read the thread and did you watch the videos? I referenced the fact that these are the straightest hitters on any tour. They have minimal spine tilt axis at set up and impact which is an interesting observation being that they are the straightest hitters.

 

I have said this before show some class act like an adult and less like a golf snob! I have 20+ years of golf knowledge I don't need to prove to anyone my credibility!! Unless of course they are asking if I teach tour players then that would big no so what?

Listen up, Kelso. You lost credibility numerous times over here. 

I don't think it's classless to call you out on the bad info you are spreading around, in fact I consider it almost a duty as a forum leader on this site. We need to protect those who do not know any better from the nonsense you're spouting as it could create huge set-backs for their games and that's not good. 

I am far from a golf snob, I just happen to call Bullshit when I see it and I will continue to do so, so get used to it.