Kaepernick Sits for National Anthem

[jsgolfer]

27 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

You'd be wrong. A former cop and criminal analyst has stated that blacks are 3x more likely to be shot on a per capita basis. Which means they are shot and killed at a higher rate than whites are.

"Blacks are three times as likely to be killed by cops as are whites, on a per-capita basis,” Peter Moskos, a former Baltimore police officer and criminal justice researcher at John Jay College of Criminal Justice told the New York Times last April. “But part of that is because of crime in predominantly black neighborhoods.""

If whites where killed at the same rate as blacks based on the population size there would be substantially more white people killed. 

This is consistent with criminal statistics which are primarily based on population. 

Yes, but then you could also say that Blacks commit more violent crime and thus have more interactions with the police in tense situations.  Not sure that is the whole story, but it is part of it as well.  Many layers to this onion.

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Spoiler

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/12/02/how-to-not-get-shot-by-the-police-n1926042

My Dad was a beat cop (walked the neighborhood) for 10 years and another 10 years as a training officer and he gave me a couple bits of good advice over the years about interacting with the police.  

1 - Don't commit a crime and your chances of an interaction go way down.

2 - When you are interacting with the police, be polite, respectable and do what they ask, even if they are wrong.  Nothing good will ever come with you arguing with the police on the side of the road or anywhere else.  As the article above noted, my Dad said you never know when you'll fit the description of someone they are looking for, might be driving the same car, maybe their wife or husband pissed them off or any other myriad of things could be going through their head, never give them anything else to get pissed about.  Now, I'm from a small city in Maine and don't have the experiences of other people in high crime areas, but I'm going to guess that 99.9% of fatal shootings occur when the suspect resists arrest. And the tragic other 0.1%, the officers should be held accountable for those specific incidences.  And as with other portions of the population, some cops are unfit for their jobs, some are racists, some are power hungry and most need to be retrained on how to show courtesy and respect to the general public.  

Not sure when we the Police went from To Protect and Serve to treating the public like checkbooks and combatants.  Sad state of affairs for sure.

This is what I remember from my childhood.  But this has been gone for a long time.

 

 

[Gunther]

1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

You'd be wrong. A former cop and criminal analyst has stated that blacks are 3x more likely to be shot on a per capita basis. Which means they are shot and killed at a higher rate than whites are.

"Blacks are three times as likely to be killed by cops as are whites, on a per-capita basis,” Peter Moskos, a former Baltimore police officer and criminal justice researcher at John Jay College of Criminal Justice told the New York Times last April. “But part of that is because of crime in predominantly black neighborhoods.""

If whites where killed at the same rate as blacks based on the population size there would be substantially more white people killed. 

This is consistent with criminal statistics which are primarily based on population. 

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

You can look at numbers in lots of ways but the point is, cops are not systematically targeting black people to shoot and kill.  There are a number of reasons to explain your stats, cops on a mission is not one of them.  And that is BLM's premise.  As such, it is false.

[Golfingdad]

2 hours ago, Jeremie Boop said:

Also, "brave course of action"? OK then.

Not sure why you're mocking him for saying this.. It's extremely brave.

[mcanadiens]

1 hour ago, CarlSpackler said:

In that case, the police did not know that it was an air rifle. He took off running when the police told him to drop his weapon. Unfortunately, he turned the corner of the aisle and there was another officer there who only saw an armed man running towards him with a weapon. I would wager that a majority of us would have fired in that same circumstance. I'm not sure if the officer who shot him knew what race he was or had time to process it. My belief is that he would have still fired if it was not a minority. So far, everyone has been exonerated in the judicial system.

From what I understand, Crawford was standing at the end of the aisle with the rifle and talking on his cell phone when he was shot. It appeared that, if the cops did verbally warn him, Crawford didn't seem to notice. The video that I've seen seems to back that up and refutes what the cops version claims.

Yes a grand jury didn't indict the cops, but I believe the feds are still kicking it around.

It's my old hometown so I wish it weren't so, but this one looks like it might be a stinker.

 

[Golfingdad]

2 hours ago, Gunther said:

The facts he has been fed ...

Why so dismissive?  Why can't it be possible for him to actually be thinking for himself?  This type of attitude is extremely insulting.

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Also ...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17445208/jeremy-lane-seattle-seahawks-sits-national-anthem-oakland-raiders-game

 

[Gunther]

4 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

Why so dismissive?  Why can't it be possible for him to actually be thinking for himself?  This type of attitude is extremely insulting.

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Also ...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17445208/jeremy-lane-seattle-seahawks-sits-national-anthem-oakland-raiders-game

 

Actually trying to give him credit because if he has thought through the issue for himself and come to the same conclusion, then he's not very bright.  

[Dave2512]

Or maybe he truly believes there is a problem out there bigger than his football career and he's decided it's worth the risk to speak out. The more he is interviewed the less random this seems. Just because someone else doesn't think it's a problem doesn't mean he doesn't. And he isn't just talking about cops, he mentioned other issues people of color face last night.

I don't agree with his tactics but it's not like there isn't a problem out there. Everything can be improved.

 

[Phil McGleno]

16 minutes ago, Gunther said:

Actually trying to give him credit because if he has thought through the issue for himself and come to the same conclusion, then he's not very bright.  

WHy is it that everyone who disagrees with you is "not very bright".

[Gunther]

46 minutes ago, Phil McGleno said:

WHy is it that everyone who disagrees with you is "not very bright".

That was helpful.  I didn't say he wasn't very bright. If you read my previous post, you will see that the premise of BLM is false.  Therefore, IF Kaepernick independently researched the facts and came to the conclusion that he has, it stands to reason he is not very bright.  He didn't research it, he has been fed BLM's propaganda and has fallen for it.  An indictment of his intelligence perhaps yes, but I believe if he did the research, he would come to another conclusion.  Therefore, I believe he probably is bright but hasn't put in the work.

[CarlSpackler]

1 hour ago, mcanadiens said:

From what I understand, Crawford was standing at the end of the aisle with the rifle and talking on his cell phone when he was shot. It appeared that, if the cops did verbally warn him, Crawford didn't seem to notice. The video that I've seen seems to back that up and refutes what the cops version claims.

Yes a grand jury didn't indict the cops, but I believe the feds are still kicking it around.

It's my old hometown so I wish it weren't so, but this one looks like it might be a stinker.

In the complete video (I watched it several times), Crawford took off running when an officer confronted him. He took off running around the end of the isle and was shot. As he ran around the corner, it appeared that he was raising the gun to shoot. They would have you believe that he was just standing there minding his own business when the officer walked up and shot him. Should he have been shot. In hindsight, no way. In the heat of the moment, most of us would have fired at him too given that circumstances. 

There are a whole lot of "what ifs" in that case and it's a shame it ended how it did. The Feds have absolutely nothing in this case. They are only appeasing the movement. It's a shame that we have to do our own investigating if we want to get to the truth in a matter.

[Phil McGleno]

21 minutes ago, Gunther said:

That was helpful.  I didn't say he wasn't very bright. If you read my previous post, you will see that the premise of BLM is false.  Therefore, IF Kaepernick independently researched the facts and came to the conclusion that he has, it stands to reason he is not very bright.  He didn't research it, he has been fed BLM's propaganda and has fallen for it.  An indictment of his intelligence perhaps yes, but I believe if he did the research, he would come to another conclusion.  Therefore, I believe he probably is bright but hasn't put in the work.

You cited one source-But I can find a bunch of others that say the opposite.

Open your mind.-You might just find that you are wrong and grow from there.

You do not know if he was fed info or if he researched it.-Just because he did not read the articles you read does not mean he did not research.-His difference of opinion does not make him wrong or stupid.

[Gunther]

14 minutes ago, Phil McGleno said:

You cited one source-But I can find a bunch of others that say the opposite.

Open your mind.-You might just find that you are wrong and grow from there.

You do not know if he was fed info or if he researched it.-Just because he did not read the articles you read does not mean he did not research.-His difference of opinion does not make him wrong or stupid.

If he has researched the facts and still believes that American policemen are actively targeting black people for death, he IS wrong and stupid.  My guess (and fervent hope) is that he hasn't.

[Phil McGleno]

11 minutes ago, Gunther said:

If he has researched the facts and still believes that American policemen are actively targeting black people for death, he IS wrong and stupid.  My guess (and fervent hope) is that he hasn't.

So that is the twist how you are twisting what people are saying so that you can keep spouting your bullshit.-Got it.

[rkim291968]

6 hours ago, Jeremie Boop said:

I didn't care about them not playing. I disagree with the idea that it should be pros playing in the Olympics. I know it's an outdated idea, but I still hold that the Olympics should be for amateurs to compete. Really these two things aren't even close to the same either, because DJ and JS didn't refuse to play for the USA because they were protesting something. 

Also, "brave course of action"? OK then.

Yeah, he had a lot to lose for something he stands for.  He will lose sponsors, lose fans, get death threats, etc..   He probably could have done it differently than sitting during national anthem that's for sure.  But I don't blame him for that.  

[Gunther]

1 hour ago, Phil McGleno said:

So that is the twist how you are twisting what people are saying so that you can keep spouting your bullshit.-Got it.

Wtf man, read the BLM manifesto.  This is the basis on which they were formed, among other ridiculous claims.  Enlighten yourself so that you can add something substantive to the discussion.  You're clearly ill-informed on this topic and only entered to create havoc. 

I've added a link, enjoy.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-01/end-war-black-people-blacklivesmatter-demands-reparations-investments-political-powe

Edited September 2, 2016 by Gunther

[CarlSpackler]

8 hours ago, Jeremie Boop said:

I didn't care about them not playing. I disagree with the idea that it should be pros playing in the Olympics. I know it's an outdated idea, but I still hold that the Olympics should be for amateurs to compete. Really these two things aren't even close to the same either, because DJ and JS didn't refuse to play for the USA because they were protesting something. 

Also, "brave course of action"? OK then.

It's OT, but that was not possible with socialist countries in the mix. Their athletes are professional since that is their government assignment. 

Back to CK, has anyone brought up the "Pig" socks that he was wearing. Sorry if it has. I missed a few pages of this madness.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/49ers/2016/09/01/police-reaction-colin-kaepernick-pig-socks-san-francisco/89715672/

[baller7345]

22 minutes ago, Gunther said:

Wtf man, read the BLM manifesto.  This is the basis on which they were formed, among other ridiculous claims.  Enlighten yourself so that you can add something substantive to the discussion.  You're clearly ill-informed on this topic and only entered to create havoc. 

I've added a link, enjoy.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-01/end-war-black-people-blacklivesmatter-demands-reparations-investments-political-powe

Zero Hedge...really.

I can easily demonstrate that Zero Hedge is not a reliable news source:
1.) Zero Hedge has no named editor-in-chief.
2.) Articles are written under one pseudonym.

Or as the the rational wiki puts it.

" Zero Hedge is a batshit insane Austrian school finance blog run by two pseudonymous founders who post articles under the name "Tyler Durden," after the character from Fight Club.^[wp] It has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2 recessions "

[Gunther]

7 minutes ago, baller7345 said:

Zero Hedge...really.

I can easily demonstrate that Zero Hedge is not a reliable news source:
1.) Zero Hedge has no named editor-in-chief.
2.) Articles are written under one pseudonym.

Or as the the rational wiki puts it.

" Zero Hedge is a batshit insane Austrian school finance blog run by two pseudonymous founders who post articles under the name "Tyler Durden," after the character from Fight Club.^[wp] It has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2 recessions "

I know nothing of Zero Hedge.  The article links to BLM's actual docs.