That's not "agreeing to disagree." That's just you not being willing to form an opinion based on multiple facts (I wouldn't call them variables - Jack's career accomplishments aren't varying at this point).
You're assuming that your definition differs. Ostensibly, the "greatest to ever play the game" will rack up the best (or nearly the best) records, stats, and achievements. You'd have a hard time making a case for Tom Kite as the GOAT. Or even Phil Mickelson. Or Arnie. Or Snead, Hogan, Jones.
Or - and I don't mean this in a negative way because this isn't a "human values" type of thing at all and it says nothing about you as a person - you're just too lazy to compare, or you don't care enough to compare, or something.
Others feel that you can compare. I think they've both produced enough of a body of evidence to compare, so I do.
in the old days, Chocolate only had to compete against vanilla and Strawberry. So it was pretty good.
But today, Chocolate has to compete against gourmet variations in the 1000's. And it STILL WINS
Maybe it's an opinion, but it's very compelling opinion.
Chocolate - GOAT
I have never replied to this thread before, because the last 9 months I have been dreadful, and not playing to my handicap. I joined a new club, and the course is so much tighter, and totally unforgiving. To be honest, I think the old course I was playing on complimented my golf. The last week or so I have been playing better, and yesterday I shot two under net. Of course, next time out may not be so good, but I am enjoying the glory while it lasts.
No. The opposite is closer to the truth. Welcome to the 2010s. 🙂
We don't need opinions: facts are available here.
Do yourself a favor and buy a copy of LSW. In the UK, you should contact Andrew Norrby to get a copy.
You can look at a LOT of the topics here which talk about some of these concepts, but basically, the parts of the game that have the most "Separation Value®" are:
Approach Shots (39%)
Short Game (19%)
Putting matters the least, over the long term.
Agree to disagree, I suppose. The variables are far too abundant for me to ever state that definitively.
I suppose it goes to the individual's definition of GOAT more than anything else. To me, GOAT means the greatest to ever play the game - not the player who has the best records, stats, or achievements. I've just never believed that athletes across generations can be equally compared to each other in that manner.
If you think that there haven't been people who belittle and ridicule in this thread, I would suggest that you haven't been paying attention. It's happened on all sides of the discussion, also, imo.