Ball flight laws and misinformation

The majority of people on TST know, understand and believe the 'new' (read: correct) ball flight laws where the club face is responsible for ~85% of the starting line of the flight, however there are many people who have played for years with the 'old' ball flight laws and continue to do so because to them the old way is correct.

OLD = Initial direction of the ball is dictated by the club head path . The curvature of the ball is dictated by the club face angle.

NEW = Initial direction of the ball is 85% dictated by the club face angle . The curvature is dictated by the club head path.

Today I watched another Masterclass video with Mizuno and Luke Donald (number 1 again. Go Llluuuuukkkkeeeee!) which was filled with misinformation:

If you look at the video however that's not the case:



Luke's body and club head path is aimed way left toward the far left of the green and the ball starts out just left of the pin, curving back toward it.

Just another example of feel not being real in my opinion.

NOTE: I'm a big Luke fan and I love seeing ALL types of golfer play. The above is solely an opinion I'm sharing because I hate us amateurs being fed misinformation. If the old laws work for Luke that's great. If they work for you that's great. I just feel that incorrect information should not be taught to people as being the truth.

He also contradicts himself. Before he takes the shot he says aim the clubface left of the pin and then over the ball says aim it at the pin.

I'm also surprised someone at Mizuno didn't know better. Unfortunately, I think they were more concerned with having their brand associated with Luke than giving out the right information.

Thats the way I hit a fade and its the only way I can.  I"ve never been able to start the ball left of my stance line and fade it back.  I open way up in my stance play the ball far foward and open the face towards the target and hit a push fade.

Pro golfers try to instantly forget bad strokes/holes/courses and only remember their very best shots/holes etc because positive mental attitude is incredibly important to success. If I was World #1 and I believed that the Golf Fairy carried the ball to the hole whenever I said "Fluffy Slippers" in my mind at address it's a thought that I would cling onto for dear life as clearly it works for me, else I wouldn't be World #1.

I sincerely think it's fine for any golfer to believe whatever they want in their game; more power to them. Where I draw the line is when they then start perpetuating misinformation to people who know no better, effectively holding them back from their best potential.

I played with a pro Saturday who played the push fade. He hit some incredible golf shots. He aimed his body open about 15 degrees and it looked like his face was aimed at the pin. I know that is how he set-up to hit the shot, but that is not what happened at impact as the club face had to be closed as as compared to the initial address position but open to the path. It was not by much because it was more of a baby fade with so much control. I don't know if he knows the ball flight laws, but he knows how to play competitive golf on the local tournament level.

I completely agree that it is misinformation because the "new" laws are, no doubt, correct.  However, I think we might be putting too much stock in them, and I don't necessarily agree that it is holding people back.  There were good and bad golfers prior to the "new" laws and there are good and bad golfers now.  And I am sure many of the bad golfers now know the new laws.  To me, the part of the ball flight laws that really matter haven't changed; club face closed relative to path, ball curves left, and club face open relative to path, ball curves right.  That is what I would take away from the video.  I've seen other videos posted here (and there are probably hundreds of them out there) like this one, or the Brandel Chamblee/Aaron Rodgers video, or the Nick Faldo/Sony Open video that all say the same thing.  And they are all wrong in the exact literal sense, i.e. in the case of the Nick Faldo video (how to curve one around a tree) if you followed his directions to the letter, you would, in fact, hit the tree every time.  But you would see that the first time you practiced it, and you would keep tinkering until you figured out how to hit the target.

Anyways, that is my two cents.

You think that Mizuno is worried that golfers will not buy their clubs because a short Luke Donald video may differ from their ball flight philosophy?

Sorry I didn't watch the video, but and maybe I've missed something in the video summary, but does Luke actually refer to ball flight laws or is he simply desribing how he sets up to hit a shot? To hit a draw, I align my feet and club face to the target, then shift slightly to the right, which naturally shifts the face to right of the target as well. Then I either close the clubface a little or swing out to the right depending on the day. At impact the club face is right of the final target in order to have the ball draw back to it, but it was aimed squarely at the target when I started the process.

As others have stated and many pro golfers have proved knowledge of the ball flight laws is by no means a necessity in playing amazing golf.  For the majority of the gifted golfers out there their body just figures it out even if their brain can't.  I really think that where knowledge of the ball flight laws really matters is for golfers like me who don't really have that natural ability and need to understand what is actually happening so we can attempt to make the correct fix.

I guess I fall in the minority, what are the new ball flight laws? I got a handout in my golf class I took thru my school that said the clubface controls spin direction (fade or draw, or in my case, slice or hook) and the path controls starting line.

First post.

Yeah sorry about that; I just saw what seemed to be a nice clear example of feel versus real regarding the laws so I shared it and explained why. I know there are other examples out there; I just felt this one was especially useful. Won't happen again.

Thanks, I found that right after I asked the question haha. It gets confusing going back and forth between the old and new, but I think I've got. I  usually hit a straight fade, sometimes a push fade, or more like a push slice, but that's rare anymore. So my clubface is actually getting pretty square or closed, but my biggest problem is too much out to in swing? Good to know, I've been working really hard on that. I'll get the driver out and swing as in to out as I think I can and hit a few duck hooks just to get the feel. When I amp up the swing speed I still get a tiny bit of fade still. This is good to know tho.