rating/slope for women at men's tees?

Could be the course has men's and women's ratings for some tees. For example the white tees at the

Example 1: A woman plays from the middle tees, which are not rated for women. The women's USGA Course Rating from the forward tees is 71.6, with a Slope Rating of 119. The middle tees are 396 yards longer than the forward tees. She enters the 387 to 404 yard range, which corresponds to adding 2.2 to the USGA Course Rating and 5 to the Slope Rating of the forward tees. She will post her score with a USGA Course Rating of 73.8 (71.6 + 2.2) and a Slope Rating of 124 (119 + 5).

I assume that the chart is reversible?

There are formulas for posting scores from unrated tees but pretty sure it's meant to be temporary. Typically the USGA wants a formal rating. IMO courses should rate every tee for gender and as well as ratings for combo tees. It is somewhat common here, so is courses getting away from the blue-white-red designation. There is a local course with 8 sets of tees, 5 are rated for men and none are blue-white-red. I see men playing the most forward men's rated tees there all the time because there is no red tee stigma.

This has become as issue for me as well.  While my home course has white tees rated for both men and women, the red tees are only rated for women and the blue only for men.  When I do the calculation as per the USGA unrated tees chart (I am a female golfer), the blues come out with a lower rating than the whites, so obviously it is inaccurate.

How do I go about requesting a rating on the blues for women?  I really like to play them and they are much more challenging than the whites.

Yeah, they do that because probably no one except LPGA plays from the blues, or maybe one or two amateur women so they don't bother rating it. If the calculation works out to less than the whites, I don't know but I'd probably go off the women's rating on the whites and add to it - you know use a fudge factor because it's logical that they're more difficult.

Make sure to check here:

https://ncrdb.usga.org/NCRDB/

There is often more information at the USGA course rating site than on the scorecard or at the course.  And, from the USGA site you know you're getting the correct rating/slope.

For example:

I looked on the USGA site and only white and red are rated for women.  Anyone know how to get a USGA rating for women on blue tees?  Other courses around here have them.

Very helpful answer!  Thanks.

This is the answer

These are the formulas you would use for the Blues for women if there isn't a USGA course rating for women. It's a rough estimate, but it comes out pretty close. These are from the USGA Handicap Manual section 13.

((Blue Yardage)/180) + 40.9 = Women's Scratch Yardage Rating from the Blues.

((Blue Yardage)/120) + 51.3 = Women's Bogey Yardage Rating from the Blues.

Women's Slope Rating = 4.24 (Women's Bogey Yardage Rating - the non-existent USGA Course rating for which you substitute the Women's Scratch Yardage Rating)

Of course the "Blue" could be any tee where the course wasn't rated for women.

The USGA and other governing bodies should completely ditch the laidies/mens distinction on handicaps.....makes no sense

IDK......let's say a 65 year old male hits the ball 210 on average off the tee......a 35 year old woman also hits the ball 210 off the tee on average.....what is the rationale for having differing handicap system?

So, if males can prove that they generally hit it about as far as the average woman, then should he be given the opportunity to use the women's handicap system???

There may be a good reason for having two systems, but  I honestly don't know the answer......

That's a good question. My guess is that they assume in a male vs. female match they will be playing different tees. So an 8hc male could play an 8hc female could play with no strokes if they play the "appropriate" tees. Having a unified handicap system would only make the stroke calculation easier if they competed from the same tees, and therefore less useful because that happens less often.

Just a guess there, still doesn't sound quite right to me though because the ball doesn't know who is hitting it. Any handicap committee gurus out there?

guys, don't argue with Erik on this. The formula has to be different. Within 1 standard deviation our swing speeds are lower. Those with higher are outliers. Let's look at where there are statistics. LPGA tour: 94 mph. PGA tour: 113 mph. That's 19 mph difference and a lot of yards. There are some that are faster. and fall outside the 1 standard deviation. Now the USGA has stats for amateurs as well. I don't know where they are, but they have them.