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Poll Results: Is there any chance for a 38 year old to go from 12 to +3 handicap?

Poll expired: Feb 28, 2013  
  • 5% (1)
    Yes - I have done it.
  • 42% (8)
    Yes - but the practice is going to kill you.
  • 21% (4)
    Yes - however you need to be better than +3 to go to qualifying school
  • 15% (3)
    No - Just no you are not going to make it Give up
  • 0% (0)
    No - Just not physically possible at 38
  • 15% (3)
    Maybe - if you set your sights for senior tour and practice from now until then!
19 Total Votes  
post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Hello All

 

I am an avid golfer who is not averse to a challenge. I have set myself a big one here as i am going to do anything in my power to improve my standing in the game.

 

Here is the problem! My age is not affording me much scope to hit my challenges - I am 38. I do however have a couple of plus points, i have always excelled at sport, i will practice the required amount of time, i have a nice swing (much better than my current handicap) etc etc. 

 

I want very much to get down to the + figures and have a crack at qualifying school (not to be the worlds greatest golfer or earn millions) its just an ambition of mine to say i have tried and done well in my attempts.

 

My current handicap is 12 and my faults are not good i will list them here so you have an idea of my challenges!

 

  • I am not the biggest driver (Sunday best around 290y).
  • I don't hit the fairways too regularly at the moment.
  • I'm Old
  • I have poor course management.
  • I am not a good putter in comparison to my mates who play off 1 and 3
  • I am ultra ultra competitive.
  • I don't practice enough at present (around 100 balls a day when motivated).

 

Can some people who are not just going to flame and take the mick give me some real advice on how to get started and if anyone who is a very good golfer wants to let me know some of their exercise routines to build up golfing stamina and twitch muscles i would be eternally grateful.

 

PS this is not "i am going to be a pro, i am the best. i am better than all you" it is a genuine and attainable target which i require to achieve.

 

Kind Regards

 

Andrew

post #2 of 21

I think "Yes" you can get to a +3 without killing yourself in the process.

 

One question:  Have you ever been at that level of play in the past?

 

I'm 44 and share many of your current standings.  My driver distance is about the same as yours.  I can occasionally eek out a 300, mostly 270 - 290.  I also do not practice much nor play a ton anymore.  That seems to help me more than practicing a ton.  I will go to the practice green and chip and putt twice per week for about 30 - 45 minutes.  Go to the range and work on ball striking once per week and play once per week.  That's not a lot.

 

The differences for me are I hit a fair number of fairways.  I also pitch and chip really well and putt a little better than average.  I also have good course management skills as far as strategically working my way around a course playing to my strengths and not taking crazy risks. 

 

My stats show I struggle more with GIR when using mid irons than anything else, but my short game consistency keeps me able to shoot low 70s rounds.

 

I'll shoot 72 - 75 70% of the time, 76-78 20% of the time, and 79-82 10% of the time when nothing seems to be clicking at all. 

 

One big difference for me is I used to be a 1.2 Handicap over a period of 10-15 years ago.  I played 4 times a week and practiced more than that.  I slowed down and even stoped playing for a period of a couple years because of job, kids, and a series of health problems (knee and foot). 

 

I got back into the swing of things a couple years ago and really started working on it the last year.  My current handicap is 5 and steadily coming down.  For me, I can shave 2 more strokes off of my handicap by playing a little more and practicing just a little more.  I think having played at that level before certainly helps getting back to that point. 

post #3 of 21

Good luck.

 

It's good that you can practice and play 6 hours per day and have the money for a swing coach, short game coach, Aimpoint, custom built clubs, mental coach, etc.

 

With all of that and talent, you have a chance.

post #4 of 21

At age 38, trying to improve by 15 strokes from that point is going to be nearly impossible.  I don't care how good an athlete you might be.  You are near the point now where most professional golfers start to decline.  You will be 40 in 2 years, and that is the typical dividing line for most pros.  They start to slip both physically and mentally.  To think that you can start now and reach that level of excellence at an age where the very best are in decline is unrealistic.  You have to be a lot more focused than you seem to be as far as practicing is concerned.  100 balls in a session?  That's barely a warm up for a player who aspires to be a plus handicap.  You have to become the best putter you know if you expect to even get to scratch.  Those two guys you mention are still miles away from your goal.

 

I wish you the best of luck, but don't get your hopes too high.

post #5 of 21
I think you could to scratch with the right coaching easily in a few years. +3, probably not, if I'm being honest.
post #6 of 21

I think it is possible, but going to be very difficult.  My game has gone from 24.3 to currently 20.1, the next revision it will be probably 19.4.  Mine has dropped 5 in the last 4 months.  I am fully aware that since my hdcp is so high that it is easier to drop it, and that the lower you go the harder it is to get it to go down. But for me it's just a matter of playing time and practice time.  I am going to start taking lessons again in the near future which should help.  My goal is to get down into the single digits someday.  I wasn't blessed with a golfers ability and I am fine with that but it doesn't mean I'm not gonna try and get it as low as possible.

post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by jamo View Post

I think you could to scratch with the right coaching easily in a few years. +3, probably not, if I'm being honest.

This...

 

It'll be a lot easer for you to go from your current 12 to a 0 than from 0 to +3... Even that is going to be a lot of work.

 

I'm not saying it can't happen, just that the odds say that it probably wont happen.

post #8 of 21

You may consider revising your definition of "old" and go from there

post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by chilepepper View Post

You may consider revising your definition of "old" and go from there

LOL, no doubt. Effin' whippersnapperc4_mad.gif

post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
One question:  Have you ever been at that level of play in the past?

 

 

No not that level but i played off 4 at 15 then started playing football semi professionally

 

Only got back into it last year

post #11 of 21

If you played to a 4 as a kid then I think you have a very good shot at getting to scratch, maybe a bit better. Getting below 5 takes a lot of work and the progress is a lot slower. 

post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by chilepepper View Post

You may consider revising your definition of "old" and go from there

 

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Originally Posted by Ernest Jones View Post

LOL, no doubt. Effin' whippersnapperc4_mad.gif

LOL ... that's the exact thing that stuck out to me in the OP as well.  If you don't want us to "flame" you, then don't be calling us old!!!  c2_beer.gif

 

Seriously though, to answer the OP's question, I am all for ambition and dreams, and my simple answer is yes, it's possible.  Likely?  Not even remotely.  But possible.

 

Here's what I don't understand though.  If your goal isn't to become rich and famous, then why are you asking the question at all?  I mean, if you aren't doing it just for money, then you must really like the game.  Therefore, why wouldn't you still do all of the things you need to do and just become as good as you can be?  If that happens to be pro level then great, but if not so what?  I could easily come out and say my goal is to become pro and I wouldn't be doing anything different than I am right now (except practicing every day instead of 3 or 4 days)

 

Either way, good luck!  But more importantly ... have fun!!!

 

PS ... 38 ain't frickin' old!!! a2_wink.gif

post #13 of 21
Q school for what, the Champions tour?

Where you'd be competing as a rookie along with Tiger Woods, or thereabouts? b3_huh.gif

No. Sorry.
post #14 of 21

The best thing I can advise is to go out and play and TAKE YOUR TIME. Find days that the course is empty, even if its raining.  Go a round and play as you would but drop a ball here and there if you think you could make the shot better. This will not only help course management but help mentally.  I dropped 5 strokes this summer in my handicap and I attribute it to knowing my swing down to knowing where the ball will go once i hit it, all because i would go play by myself and just hit balls.

 

FIR in my opinion is overrated for most courses, because the rough is really not bad (especially since I have a high swing speed and can chop down nicely when I need to).  Being able to hit the GIR is key, and not just doing that but having half of the holes you do get in regulation being ones you have a good chance for birdie.  Getting to scratch is hard, but going to +3 is much harder!  That still may not be enough to make it.  But if you really want it, go for it!

post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Golfingdad View Post

 

LOL ... that's the exact thing that stuck out to me in the OP as well.  If you don't want us to "flame" you, then don't be calling us old!!!  c2_beer.gif

 

Seriously though, to answer the OP's question, I am all for ambition and dreams, and my simple answer is yes, it's possible.  Likely?  Not even remotely.  But possible.

 

Here's what I don't understand though.  If your goal isn't to become rich and famous, then why are you asking the question at all?  I mean, if you aren't doing it just for money, then you must really like the game.  Therefore, why wouldn't you still do all of the things you need to do and just become as good as you can be?  If that happens to be pro level then great, but if not so what?  I could easily come out and say my goal is to become pro and I wouldn't be doing anything different than I am right now (except practicing every day instead of 3 or 4 days)

 

Either way, good luck!  But more importantly ... have fun!!!

 

PS ... 38 ain't frickin' old!!! a2_wink.gif


Erm didn't mean to cause offense lol I mean 38 is old to start realising my golfing dreams!

 

I know i am setting my sights high but i like to set targets and try and make them. Scratch is achievable however i want to push myself hence not an easy target.

 

I know 38 isnt old just in what i want to do and where i am starting it can be "classed" as old

post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by kiahughesy View Post


Erm didn't mean to cause offense lol I mean 38 is old to start realising my golfing dreams!

 

I know i am setting my sights high but i like to set targets and try and make them. Scratch is achievable however i want to push myself hence not an easy target.

 

I know 38 isnt old just in what i want to do and where i am starting it can be "classed" as old

I wasn't really serious ... just messing with you. c2_beer.gif

 

But, seriously, you're not going to do anything differently regardless of what anybody on here thinks.  You love golf, you're going to try and become as good as you can be, so go do it!

 

And good luck.

post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by chilepepper View Post

You may consider revising your definition of "old" and go from there

AMEN! That's the only thing I see worth flamin'!
post #18 of 21

i am old hA hahha ahha

 

That is to funny.

 

I will turn 60 soon and my Goal is to establish a single digit handicap

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