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deekay Well Established Member

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Just a question about playing off different tees.

When I watch golf on TV the pros seem to play most of the par 4’s with a driver and a wedge into the green.

Does this mean that the game of golf was developed with this sort of club selection in mind, and that we should all be playing off tees that allow us to play a wedge into the green on the par 4’s?

If we are shortening the course to suit our capabilities, we may find the game more enjoyable, but does our score in comparison to other players’ not become meaningless? I am sure I could win my club championship every year if they just allowed me to shorten the course enough!

I am not sure how course ratings work, but I gather the idea is to compare playing ability on courses of a similar “difficulty” rating. And I gather that the “difficulty” can be modified by playing it at different lengths. If a scratch golfer played a course of say, 7 000 yards, he may find it as “difficult” as I would if I played off tees which reduced it to, for example, 5 500yards. But the fact that we shoot similar scores would surely in no way indicate that I am as good a golfer as he is!

So how does one determine from which tee you should be playing if you want your score to be a realistic indication of your progress?

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Here's a good link on 'right-sizing' a course for you:  http://www.pga.com/pga-and-usga-step-new-sets-tees-in-nationwide-tee-it-forward-initiative

My comment:  There is absolutely nothing worse than being stuck behind a 4-some of weekend duffers who decided playing from the back-most tees was a good idea!

I know my limitations and choose to play from tees where a course measures anywhere from 5802-6200 yards.  Anything longer than 6200 and I'm overmatched in terms of distance from tee to green.  Where this shows up most is on long par-4s (3-shot holes) and long par 3s where hitting 4 hybrid to 3-wood is necessary.  I don't have much a chance making pars on those holes.

It's much more fun to 'right-size' the course and have chance to make pars and the occasional birdie than playing an overly long course where bogeys and worse are all over your card.

dave

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David in FL Incredible Member

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Here's a good link on 'right-sizing' a course for you:  http://www.pga.com/pga-and-usga-step-new-sets-tees-in-nationwide-tee-it-forward-initiative

My comment:  There is absolutely nothing worse than being stuck behind a 4-some of weekend duffers who decided playing from the back-most tees was a good idea!

I know my limitations and choose to play from tees where a course measures anywhere from 5802-6200 yards.  Anything longer than 6200 and I'm overmatched in terms of distance from tee to green.  Where this shows up most is on long par-4s (3-shot holes) and long par 3s where hitting 4 hybrid to 3-wood is necessary.  I don't have much a chance making pars on those holes.

It's much more fun to 'right-size' the course and have chance to make pars and the occasional birdie than playing an overly long course where bogeys and worse are all over your card.

dave

Agree.

I've said it before.   Personally, I look at the par-4's.  If a set of tees has more than one (two at the absolute max) par-4 that I won't be able to comfortably reach with an average (not best ever) driver / 5-iron, the tees are too long for me.  If you average 240 with the driver and your average 5-iron is 165, you should steer away from any course with more than one par-4 in excess of about 400 yards.

Play the tees best suited to your game.  Nothing else.  That might be the tips on one course, and the most forward tees on another.  If you can't break 90 from the shorter tees, why would you want to beat yourself up from longer tees.  You don't need any more "challenge". ;-)

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw
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isukgolf Great Member

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I play as close to the hole as I can ... but I embrace the fact that I Suk and I want to improve ... making the course longer does not benefit me at all.  I think one should look at their ability to make par from a certain set of tees when chooses.  Most can not achieve par for the whites ...

When paired with someone they always ask on the first tee ... "what set of tee do you play from?"  I always reply "the tips" ... I allow the confused and shocked look to linger just a bit ... then say "the south tips"

Lot of people are always looking for the an advantage ... spend a ton of money a driver that will give them 10 extra yards .. so why not take the one advantage that the game gives you?   Heck I can add 10-20+ yards and not even swing a club+

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TeeJay0219 Member

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I don't know, even though I'm shooting in the high 80s I like to tee off from the pro tee. I have a bad habit of teeing off further than those also...(but that's where no divots are.. Lol)
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There are a cpl ways I choose a tee box... But it is mostly based on the course itself. There are several courses I play out here that the back tees range from 7,000 to 7,300. And I don't have any problems reaching the green (or green area) in regulation (from a distance perspective). So... I play from the back tees regularly. However, there are a couple course where it's not about the distance. There is one course for example where the back tees are 6,700 but there are several terrible angles off the tee. Shots that are really low percentage for me to even stay in play without sacrificing a huge amount in distance. So... I typically don't play from the tips on those courses. Lastly, I also play a lot of skins games with my buddies, so obviously we all choose a tee to all play from. Sometimes it's the blues, sometimes it's the tips.
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Thanks for the comments, guys. I totally get the idea that playing from tees which allow you to challenge par on most holes would be much more enjoyable.

But I am a bogey golfer. Surely being proud of my progress because I scored in the low 80's over the weekend would be meaningless if it was simply a result of playing off shorter tees?

A player who regularly shoots a certain score off longer tees is surely a better player than someone shooting similar scores off shorter ones.

Are the scores that are recorded to derive the handicap somehow modified by the difficulty (of which course length is a factor) of the course on which those scores where made?

So should we be playing the tees which allow us to have a sniff at par, and then allow the “easiness” of the course (off those tees) to push our handicap higher than all those pars we might make would suggest it should be?

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Thanks for the comments, guys. I totally get the idea that playing from tees which allow you to challenge par on most holes would be much more enjoyable.

 

But I am a bogey golfer. Surely being proud of my progress because I scored in the low 80's over the weekend would be meaningless if it was simply a result of playing off shorter tees?

 

A player who regularly shoots a certain score off longer tees is surely a better player than someone shooting similar scores off shorter ones.

 

Are the scores that are recorded to derive the handicap somehow modified by the difficulty (of which course length is a factor) of the course on which those scores where made?

 

 

So should we be playing the tees which allow us to have a sniff at par, and then allow the “easiness” of the course (off those tees) to push our handicap higher than all those pars we might make would suggest it should be?

 

 

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I think this is fine.  I will also tell people that if I play longer tees, my handicap (estimated) would probably rise.  I play tees that make the game enjoyable.  I have no desire to hit 3w and long irons into every par 4.

-Matt-

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David in FL Incredible Member

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Thanks for the comments, guys. I totally get the idea that playing from tees which allow you to challenge par on most holes would be much more enjoyable.

 

But I am a bogey golfer. Surely being proud of my progress because I scored in the low 80's over the weekend would be meaningless if it was simply a result of playing off shorter tees?

 

A player who regularly shoots a certain score off longer tees is surely a better player than someone shooting similar scores off shorter ones.

 

Are the scores that are recorded to derive the handicap somehow modified by the difficulty (of which course length is a factor) of the course on which those scores where made?

 

 

So should we be playing the tees which allow us to have a sniff at par, and then allow the “easiness” of the course (off those tees) to push our handicap higher than all those pars we might make would suggest it should be?

 

 

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Yes, the Course Rating and slope for more forward tees will change to reflect the change in difficulty......but, if you think that just because you move up a set of tees, you're suddenly going to go from struggling to break 90 to sniffing 80, you're gonna be very surprised...... :-)

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Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw
Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

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Are the scores that are recorded to derive the handicap somehow modified by the difficulty (of which course length is a factor) of the course on which those scores where made?

 

 

So should we be playing the tees which allow us to have a sniff at par, and then allow the “easiness” of the course (off those tees) to push our handicap higher than all those pars we might make would suggest it should be?

 

 

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Yes and length is not the only factor that will make or break your handicap.  Just because you are hitting driver/wedge into holes does not mean you will become a scratch handicap.

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I suppose to find out people need to move up and see how they score. If the scores drop the low CR will have less effect on differentials. If the scores don't change much you can be certain you previously played too far back. My guess is the higher the handicap the less likely scores drop significantly. That golfer has consistency issues more than distance issues.

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I struggle with selecting the right tee.  I have been playing from 6600-6700 yards on the two courses I often play. It is probably a bit of a stretch for me, especially in the mornings when it is cooler and very wet. Measuring my drives this morning, depending on the wind and elevation it can really vary. This morning it was very wet out and I only averaged 242 yards per drive, including my one really bad one.  They were, 236, 245, 200, 266, 270, 237, 240. I may start playing up again to about 6350 yards in the mornings because of the conditions. It is just much more fun as well.

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I wouldn't benefit from moving up because distance isn't my problem. You should play from whatever tee's match you for distance. I think someone said before that par 4's are basically expected to be driver and 8i or so on average to reach. I rarely need even an 8i into the par 4s on the courses I play. I guess I could probably lower my handicap if I started using irons off the tee but I just can't get that mentality going. Plus, if I mis-hit an iron I have a lot longer shot to the green anyway which takes away any advantage I would have gained.

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Just a question about playing off different tees.

 

When I watch golf on TV the pros seem to play most of the par 4’s with a driver and a wedge into the green.

 

Does this mean that the game of golf was developed with this sort of club selection in mind, and that we should all be playing off tees that allow us to play a wedge into the green on the par 4’s?

 

If we are shortening the course to suit our capabilities, we may find the game more enjoyable, but does our score in comparison to other players’ not become meaningless? I am sure I could win my club championship every year if they just allowed me to shorten the course enough!

 

I am not sure how course ratings work, but I gather the idea is to compare playing ability on courses of a similar “difficulty” rating. And I gather that the “difficulty” can be modified by playing it at different lengths. If a scratch golfer played a course of say, 7 000 yards, he may find it as “difficult” as I would if I played off tees which reduced it to, for example, 5 500yards. But the fact that we shoot similar scores would surely in no way indicate that I am as good a golfer as he is!

 

So how does one determine from which tee you should be playing if you want your score to be a realistic indication of your progress?

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Actually, on a well designed course, you should play every club in your bag at least once on a typical round.  It's one thing that has kept me on my home course for so many years.  My game is suited to that course, and it offers me the opportunity to play all of my clubs.

The pros (and their equipment) overpower even many of the best courses.  The only way dial them back even a little is to set up the course in a way that it's too difficult for them to bomb and gouge.  You would have to force them to think on the tee if the risk penalty for using driver is worth the potential reward.  That is what the US Open tries to do, and the USGA gets nothing but flak for doing so.

Players have become indoctrinated to the belief that longer is always better, to the point that the Tour course venues cater to them with wide fairways and short rough.  Even the TV viewers gripe when players have to actually show more talent than just the ability to hit driver-wedge.  For some reason that style which I find boring to the point that I rarely even watch golf any more has more fans now than the style where players actually have to make shots.

Rick

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I prefer to play shorter courses, mainly because I can't reliably hit anything over 7i. I pick whatever tees will allow me to hit 8i or less on most approaches.

Length is definitely one factor, but also knowing what you can hit reliably is another. If you are able to hit your 5i or 4i reliably, then driving 200 yards is not going to limit your ability to shoot par on a 6400 yard course.

It really depends upon your weaknesses.

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I agree with the responses above.  If you only drive the ball 200- 220, even 230, you should not be playing the tips.  The link @dave s sent indicates this.  You can play the tips if you want, but having to hit a 5W into a 420 yard par 4 when you are in the fairway is just going to be frustrating.

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I agree with the responses above.  If you only drive the ball 200- 220, even 230, you should not be playing the tips.  The link @dave s sent indicates this.  You can play the tips if you want, but having to hit a 5W into a 420 yard par 4 when you are in the fairway is just going to be frustrating.

I don't see this either, as long as it isn't every par 4.  To have one or two of those in a round is a good thing.  It means that the course was designed to play golf.  My home course from the middle tees has par 4 holes from 340 to 434, par 5 holes from 496 to 530, par 3 holes from 120 to 190.  Loads of variety.

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