Originally Posted by billchao
I roll my forearms too much in all situations, so no. Quite the opposite, actually. I find it is much easier for me to hold off the rotation when I make a horizontal swing because it's easier to turn my shoulders when I am upright, so I allow my shoulders to do the rotating for me.
Yes, ball below your feet will tend to go to the right, for a right-handed player. The fix is to aim more left. That's not really a well kept secret.@Joe Mama
, I thought you touted a four knuckle grip and square to the arc? Why all of a sudden are you concerned with rotating your hands?
I am a four knuckle strong grip, maintain- square- to- the -arc -as -long -as- possible golfer, it's true. I do want to roll my forearms going back or coming down. My concern with balls above or below the feet is that I have to work harder to prevent rolling in clockwise in the one case, and counter-clockwise in the other.
Putting that aside, at least one forum contributor has spoken of the lie angle as being one of (if not the ONLY) culprit responsible for balls flying left when they're above the feet, and vice-versa for balls below the feet.
I agree that lie angle influences ball flight, course, and further agree that when the ball is above your feet, a properly soled iron face points left, and ice-versa for balls below your feet. I performed a simple test by taping a tee to the faces of a lob wedge and a five iron, and soled each above my feet. For the lob wedge, the face points left by an observable amount, but for a much lower lofted club, such as a five iron, the face direction differs too little from square to be observed.
So, I agree the lie angle influences ball direction, but cannot there be TWO causes of the ball sailing to the left when the ball is above the feet? I've suggested that when you swing at a ball above your feet, the right forearm has a NATURAL tendency to roll over the left forearm SOONER than it does for a normal lie, and this leads to an earlier closing than normal, which sends the ball to the left. This is NOT to say that the club face is not pointing left a little at setup; it is. This alone would tend to send the ball left. But, I believe it's also true that excessive arm rolling, alone, likewise would tend to send the ball left. Why cannot we believe that both effects occur? And that one effect may dominate over the other, depending on lie angle and club loft?
You can test the right forearm rolling claim by swinging an iron in a horizontal plane with relaxed arms. Do you find that there is a greater tendency for the right forarm to roll over the left than in the case where you swing in a nearly vertical plane?
Butch Harmon on the web page cited in a previous post attributes the ball's flight to the right--when the ball is below the feet--to a swing plane that is too upright. The implication is that there is less right forearm rotation than usual. His view, it seems to me, is exactly what I'm expressing.
Are there ANY forum readers who believe, as I do, that the forearm-rolling (too much, or too little) effect, caused by the ball above, or below the feet, is ALSO a cause of the ball's flight being to the left, or to the right? Or, am I alone in my belief?
Is there any agreement among members that the lie angle effect is greater for higher-lofted clubs, and less for lower lofted ones?