Right-Forearm Takeaway

**jbishop15** · March 7, 2015

This is a two part question:

I've been struggling with my takeaway, and been experimenting like crazy. I've gone back to using a right-forearm takeaway move, in which I feel as if I'm pulling the club into position with my right hand. I'm curious to what the pros and cons are to this, plus what people think in general.

The second part is also just general curiousness: the reason I decided to go back to this type of takeaway was because of perfectgolfswingreview.net. Does anyone else use that site? Is the information any good? I'm on it a fair amount and have been for a long time, and I'd like some clarification if possible.

Thanks everyone.

**Rynrem** · March 7, 2015

I try to only think about using my right shoulder to start my backswing. I would always roll the club open or take it way too far inside whenever I used any part of my arms to take the club back.

I have never been to perfectgolfswing review...I may check it out not however

**jbishop15** · March 7, 2015

I try to only think about using my right shoulder to start my backswing. I would always roll the club open or take it way too far inside whenever I used any part of my arms to take the club back.

I have never been to perfectgolfswing review...I may check it out not however

For whatever reason, using that feel helps me turn my shoulders a lot more. I've used my left arm most of my life as my movement 'trigger', so to speak, but this has always felt more fluid.

The site is super-duper technical; just a warning in case you're not into that kind of stuff. It's basically research papers on different types and positions and the like in the golf swing.

**billchao** · March 7, 2015

I've been struggling with my takeaway, and been experimenting like crazy. I've gone back to using a right-forearm takeaway move, in which I feel as if I'm pulling the club into position with my right hand. I'm curious to what the pros and cons are to this, plus what people think in general.

Feels are unique to different individuals. What you feel in your right-forearm takeaway, somebody else may be feeling with the left arm/shoulder. As long as you're doing it well, go with whatever feel works for you.

The second part is also just general curiousness: the reason I decided to go back to this type of takeaway was because of perfectgolfswingreview.net. Does anyone else use that site? Is the information any good? I'm on it a fair amount and have been for a long time, and I'd like some clarification if possible.

That's Jeff Mann's site, right? I used to read it a lot more often a couple of years ago. I can't really say that I got a lot of practical things from it, in terms of things that specifically help my swing and my scoring. Good theoretical stuff, but IMO he has a certain swing model in mind with his papers and I don't really agree with that. Lots of tour players are and have been successful with a variety of different swings.

**Rynrem** · March 7, 2015

Yeah I agree with billchao...if it feels good, do it...as long as its not putting you into a bad position. not that I am any authority on the matter.

And yes...I had to put that site up for now as it was way to technical for me at the moment.

**jbishop15** · March 7, 2015

Originally Posted by billchao

Feels are unique to different individuals. What you feel in your right-forearm takeaway, somebody else may be feeling with the left arm/shoulder. As long as you're doing it well, go with whatever feel works for you.

Totally agree; was more wondering if anyone had heard of this type of takeaway than anything.

That's Jeff Mann's site, right? I used to read it a lot more often a couple of years ago. I can't really say that I got a lot of practical things from it, in terms of things that specifically help my swing and my scoring. Good theoretical stuff, but IMO he has a certain swing model in mind with his papers and I don't really agree with that. Lots of tour players are and have been successful with a variety of different swings.

I'm super interested in the technical aspects of the golf swing, to a fault. He definitely has his preferences, which clouds his view, but it's a nice site to peruse when I'm in that sort of ultra-technical mood.

This is like the fourth draft of this post because I am incapable to using code to properly format things. Lord almighty. I've done so much editing.

**billchao** · March 7, 2015

Totally agree; was more wondering if anyone had heard of this type of takeaway than anything.

I use a right forearm takeaway. Left arm feel causes me to push the right elbow too far behind me. But again, it only matters if it works for you. [quote name="jbishop15" url="/t/80610/right-forearm-takeaway#post_1112882"] This is like the fourth draft of this post because I am incapable to using code to properly format things. Lord almighty. I've done so much editing. [/quote]On the computer I usually just use the quote button on the Rich editor and copy and paste with the formatting already included. I'll go into the source code to clean up whatever afterwards, but I don't need to most of the time.

**Ernest Jones** · March 8, 2015

I try to feel both hands taking the club back in perfect balance, never letting one hand overpower the other. That combined with the feel that my arms stay straight (they don't) ensures that I keep turning my core. Once my turn is complete the arms stop or I'll lose the "straight arm" feel. This recipe has helped promote a full turn and, at the same time, prevent arm run-on and overswinging. YMMV.

***iacas*** · March 8, 2015

Totally agree; was more wondering if anyone had heard of this type of takeaway than anything.

The thing is, you might not even be doing what you feel like you're doing. Feels vary. Players have taken the club back a bunch of different ways.

The farther something gets from impact (and the takeaway is about as far away as you can get), the less relevant it is to the shot.

If your backswing improves doing this, keep at it. If it's just a placebo effect or something, remain open-minded.

I'm super interested in the technical aspects of the golf swing, to a fault. He definitely has his preferences, which clouds his view, but it's a nice site to peruse when I'm in that sort of ultra-technical mood.

If you're interested in the technical aspects of the golf swing then I'd avoid that site.

I stopped talking to him years ago when he couldn't accept some very basic things and change or update his views when it was finally made clear to him that he had some basic facts wrong. You can find multiple factual errors, reliance on "feel is real" type stuff, and too many other mistakes to be worth your time in his S&T; book review, for example.

Jeff believes there is ONE perfect swing model, and his "technical knowledge" is based in the 1960s or 70s at best as a big fan of TGM.

Also, though you may be interested in the technical aspects, you're hurting your game by doing so. Leave that to the people who need to know that kind of stuff. The better players get, the more success they have by being "dumber" to that kind of stuff. See the "stupid monkey" thread for a great example of that.

**westcyderydin** · March 8, 2015

Hey Erik,

I have the feeling that I use my left hand/arm to take the club back and really have that feeling throughout the swing... The left arm is definitely in control. Are there any problems that come from that? I'm sure I use my right arm too, but I don't really feel it. I've always been more aware of my left arm in the swing and that was the case in baseball, too.

**Patch** · March 8, 2015

I try to feel both hands taking the club back in perfect balance, never letting one hand overpower the other. That combined with the feel that my arms stay straight (they don't) ensures that I keep turning my core. Once my turn is complete the arms stop or I'll lose the "straight arm" feel. This recipe has helped promote a full turn and, at the same time, prevent arm run-on and overswinging.

YMMV.

This is pretty much what I do too. It's my version of the one piece take away to get to the top of my swing. It gets me there in the correct position to start my down swing. I have always believed that if I was at the correct position at the top, club face wise, I would be in the correct position at ball impact, club face wise. This along with the correct club head path down, and ball position in my stance usually gets me where I am trying to go with the ball on my normal, full swing shots.

**saevel25** · March 8, 2015

I try to feel both hands taking the club back in perfect balance, never letting one hand overpower the other. That combined with the feel that my arms stay straight (they don't) ensures that I keep turning my core. Once my turn is complete the arms stop or I'll lose the "straight arm" feel. This recipe has helped promote a full turn and, at the same time, prevent arm run-on and overswinging.

YMMV.

For me I try to feel mostly turning. When I get too concentrated on what the hands are doing the clubhead gets too deep and my swing becomes to long. For me I just have to turn and turn.

In that regard I have to practice my backswing motion so I know when I turn that it is doing what I want. There is a different feel from the club when my hands get too deep to when they are where I want them to be.

**Hardballs** · March 8, 2015

My takeaway thoughts are to just have my left wrist straight as the club head smoothly reaches torso height, and to make sure my head doesn't move! If anything I'm probably using the feel in my left arm and shoulder!

eaglevision · March 8, 2015

This is a two part question: I've been struggling with my takeaway, and been experimenting like crazy. I've gone back to using a right-forearm takeaway move, in which I feel as if I'm pulling the club into position with my right hand. I'm curious to what the pros and cons are to this, plus what people think in general. The second part is also just general curiousness: the reason I decided to go back to this type of takeaway was because of perfectgolfswingreview.net. Does anyone else use that site? Is the information any good? I'm on it a fair amount and have been for a long time, and I'd like some clarification if possible. Thanks everyone.

Right arm takeaway thoughts may or may not be the correct though/feeling for you... You need to find the correct thought/feeling that really puts the club/body relation in the correct position.

**mvmac** · March 8, 2015

This is a two part question:

I've been struggling with my takeaway, and been experimenting like crazy. I've gone back to using a right-forearm takeaway move, in which I feel as if I'm pulling the club into position with my right hand. I'm curious to what the pros and cons are to this, plus what people think in general.

There really aren't any pros and cons, you're just talking about a feel. Some questions to consider,

- What problem is the takeaway causing?

- What's your priority piece?

- Does the RFT feel change the picture?

Hey Erik,

I have the feeling that I use my left hand/arm to take the club back and really have that feeling throughout the swing... The left arm is definitely in control. Are there any problems that come from that? I'm sure I use my right arm too, but I don't really feel it. I've always been more aware of my left arm in the swing and that was the case in baseball, too.

You're describing a feel so without seeing a video/knowing what your faults are, no one can tell you whether it's right or wrong.

**Etzwane** · March 10, 2015

The Right Forearm Takeaway is a Golfing Machine (TGM) term and has a precise meaning. I don't claim any expertise in TGM but I think it best used with other components like zero plane shift and Turned Shoulder Plane, in other terms a relatively horizontal shoulder turn with the right elblow bending to keep the club on a "single" plane. I experimented with that on my own for some time and like the feel of keeping the Flying Wedges and the forearm behing the shaft (I feel more confortable with a Hitting type of swing).

I'd say that if you want to go down that route, you need to make sure the other components of your swing are compatible and that needs good understanding of the book. On the other hand you are living very close to one of the expert TGM teaching pros !

**vangator** · March 10, 2015

At address is when you go through whatever swing thoughts you may have. Hopefully it's not too many. A simple thing like a right arm takeaway may very well affect your swing thoughts on your downswing even though the club may be in the same position at the top (or at least I think it's in the same position). In effect the takeaway affects my downswing to because I'm still thinking of my right (or left arm). I only have a couple of brain cells left firing at this point. :-)

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